guest: we certainly saw in the 2022 midterms, evidence that the backlash to the dobbs decision helped soften the losses the democrats were otherwise in store for in the 2022 midterms. historically, the democrats take a drubbing in the midterm elections when that party's president is in power. democrats held the senate and their losses in the house were fairly minimized to the point where democrats have a legitimate chance to take back the house in the 2024 election. a lot of the polling shows the reason that democrats are able to keep their losses in 2022 to a minimum was because, especially suburban voters, women voters were externally upset about the dobbs decision and completely taken aback they actually follow through and overturned roe. i think that dynamic will persist into 2024. this is an issue that is creating a political wing that -- at joe biden's back. president biden is reluctant to engage in this conversation. he has stopped short of directly criticizing the court. a lot of democrats on capitol hill have started directing criticism at the supreme court. joe biden has sor

>> i don't know who leaked dobbs.as always been, it was a second-generation leak, was that, that a justice alito the graph to a friend, not expecting it to become public and then it was the friend who made the decision to sort of send it t out into the world tht i have no informed -- >> that you acknowledged the problem is not the friend sitting out in the world to the problem was the justice they can get to the french. >> but we know that that's happened before. >> that doesn't make it right. >> agreed that it makes it less extreme unless acceptable. will be don't talk enough about the dobbs leak is that week before the dobbs leak the "wall street journal" ran an editorial talking about how it was 5-4 in their efforts underway to try to intimidate the kavanaugh to sort of soften him. that seems very well sourced given what followed.d. dixie, like he was talking to "wall street journal" picked it doesn't account for how four days after the topic there's a story in the "washington post" specific identifies quote lawyer

>> what do you think about dobbs? >> think -- what do you think chief justice roberts never followed up on his investigation? >> i don't know who leaked dobbs. my theory is then that it was the second generation leak that a justice d leaked the draft toa friend not expecting it to become public and it was the press that made the decision to send it out to the world. >> but youth would acknowledge e problem was that justice leaking it to the press. >> gas but we know it has happened before. >> but it doesn't make it right' >> what we don't talk about in the dobbs cases a week before the dobbs leak "the wall streete journal" ran an editorial talking about how it was 5-4 there were efforts underway to intimidate on to soften and it's very well sourced given what follows. it doesn't account for how it was leaked for their sister story in the "washington post" that identifies quote lawyers close to the conservative justices reporting on what was said in congress and dobbs -- conference where there were only nine people in

>> over and over again we have been hearing -- since the dobbs decision saying that this issue is going to fade into the background, it's the economy, and other issues. we heard that going into 2022 midterms, they've been wrong again and again. this is the most salient, galvanizing, political issue for women on the left, but also increasingly from our poles, for independent women, which is why it is so powerful in states like ohio. what we saw in kansas, every single place in the country where we have had a ballot measures since dobbs, asking voters what they want in terms of abortion rights. they voted in favor of abortion rights. and the fact that otin ohio is such a blowout, to your point, it was not even close. in an august of the cycle, single vote election, which was intentionally held in an off time when peop on vacation to try to kee away from the polls and yet, folks turned out. i think that when we get into the data and we start seeing what that looks like and the exit polls, we'll get a better sense of it. but there is no question, in our polling, poll after poll, abortion an

they were necessary before dobb's bill and even more essential now.bs was not the end goal for those that want to take away our rights. we know that the judges recent decision to ban this drug is only the beginning. we need to inform the supreme court because the current court is a lawless institution that continues to pose a danger to our democracy. these far right ultra corrupt out of justices are making decisions based on the bidding of their donors, not based on the rule of law. as we side with dobbs it is our most marginalized community that paid the biggest price. we will not let unelected judges and antiabortion lawmakers strip away our rights. we stay quiet. for hundreds of thousands of people. including many of my own constituents. it is essential, it is life saving healthcare. these five pills. life saving healthcare. now, i will yield to my colleague from texas. >> thank you so much, madame congresswoman. thank you so much to witnesses. i have my prepared remarks. bear with me. because what i want to be clear is that the democrats, while un

dobbs do you think it effective. do do you think it affected what ultimately and why do you think chief justice roberts never followed up on his investigation, quote unquote. i don't know who leaked? dobbs my, my theory has always been for us written it was a second generation leak. was that that the justice leaked the draft to a friend, not expected it to become public and that it was the friend who made the decision to sort of, you send it out into the world that i have no information. but but but you would acknowledge the problem was not the friend sending it out into the world the problem was the justice leaking it to friend desk. but we know that that's happened before, right. that doesn't make it right. i agree but it makes it less extreme it makes it less acceptable but the lot of what we don't talk about enough about the dobbs leak is that a week before dobbs leak, the wall street journal ran an editorial talking about how there were you know, it was 5 to 4 and there were efforts underway to try to intimidate

after the supreme court's decision, in dobbs forces jackson's women's health clinic.sest abortion provider was in chicago, illinois, and that drive to chicago would have been more than nine hours from clarksville, mississippi, and ultimately, the mother decided it was too costly of a trip. today, mississippi, along with many of the states surrounding it, has a six-week abortion ban with-limited exceptions for rape or if a pregnancy is life-threatening. but these exceptions are rarely granted, and poorly tracked. joining me now, greta kemp martin, the location directed for disability rights mississippi and the democratic candidate for mississippi attorney general. greta, thanks for joining the show. first, i want to get your reaction to this incredibly heartbreaking story of a 13 year old girl who was raped, forced to give birth, and that was going to go into seventh grade? >> first, thank you for having the, katie. this is, unfortunately, a common story. what we are seeing in this post-dobbs landscape that was created by my opponent is that we have restricted policies

. >>> abortion has been a losing issue for republicans the dobbs decision. in six state referendums, all have upheld abortion rights in this country. even in red states there are more swing state referendums that are coming up as we head into the elections as well on this. governor haley, what do you say to your party and to your state, which today confirmed a six week abortion law as well, especially the impact on women suburban voters across the country? >> thank you, martha. i am unapologetically pro-life. not because the republican party tells me to be, but because my husband was adopted and i had trouble having both of my children. i am surrounded by blessings. having said that, we need to

coming out of dobbs, what we have learned, and we did not know this coming out of dobbs, after 50 years of america being told you're pro-life or pro-choice, america woke up and said whether i'm pro-life or pro-choice, i know i'm pro-roe, and i know we want to enshrine the roe protections into laws. voters, republicans, democrats, independents, pro-life, pro-choice said we're overwhelmingly pro-roe. republicans have that wrong going into next november. >> and women voters are such a huge part of the electorate. that is some factor in all of this. congresswoman edwards, the ohio secretary of state, a republican who's running for senate noted that absentee and early for this special election in august of all times actually surpassed the 2022 primary election voting. and again, this is ohio, a red state. is it at all surprising to you that this is the issue that's getting voters in ohio to turn out? and obviously not in the way republicans expected. >> well, it is not surprising to me. and also what we note is the crossover effect on abortion rights, as david said, you have a cross section

. 37% actually approved of that dobbs decision that overturned roe. it's about the same now. you're talking about nearly two-thirds of americans in this poll who are opposed to what the supreme court did last year. and i just want you to look at some key demographics that we look ed at in this poll. there's only one number here that is north of 50%. that's among republicans. 68% approve of the dobbs decision. every other group is down below 50%. men, 44% approve. older voters, 41%. white noncollege educated, 42%. but that doesn't get the majority status. only republicans robustly support the move. >> it's so interesting. and it's fascinating to see how consistent the polling is, especially on the first number. one of the big debates inside the republican primary contest is whether or not to support state bans on abortion or to make it a national ban. what did our poll show on that? >> this was a pretty interesting finding. for the outside interest groups on the antiabortion rights or pro life movement, you're going to see some success here that they h

part of the fallout from the dobbs decision that overturned roe v. wade.tion rights. with the failure of issue one, the threshold to amend ohio's constitution is a simple majority. 50% plus one. had issue one succeeded changing the constitution would have required 60% of the voting public. the vote is connected to abortion. ohio has a ballot issue that could have abortion rights in the constitution. voters approved the change in the constitution smoother. >> this was a complex issue. there are a lot of folks who did not want this to happen not just because of the november issues, the -- but for all the other ones coming. >> people came out and sent a strong message to the extremist super majority in the legislature that they believe in fairness, they believe in freedom, and they believe in the power to hold them accountable. >> ohio voters will also be looking at issues of recreational marijuana and gun control in the future. advocates of issue one blame the defeat on outside money and voter confusion, back to you. >> dana: lots to pick at this. thank you,

you support that, i'm going to -- saying the dobbs was all on me.voters in ohio are coming out august at like 75% of the midterm level in an off year august election. what does that say to you? >> it says to me that abortion. the right to abortion is a consensus issue. we all agree on this. what do california and kansas have in common? it sounds like the start of the joke. what they have in common is that they both care about abortion rights. every state in the country does. we've been told for as long as i've been doing politics, and his lungs have been alive, that abortion is one of the most contentious issues we have. is the most for lies in, it's a wedge issue. the fact is that is just not. we call this a foundational right. what we mean by that is that lots of other parts of your lives are standing on the foundation that the right to decide when and whether to start a family is yours. you take that away, all of these other things start to crumble. you takeaway rose versus wade. women and men are starting to see the reality of that. it is horrif

dobbs is still alive more than one year later. >> all right, larry gersten, thank you. and we are not done. much more news. chris, take away. >> this month we are clearing the shelters. some dogs and cats need help going the final mile to their final homes. i show you how volunteers are stepping up and how you can get involved as well. that's next. >>> i am chief meteorologist jeff ranieri and we are tracking thunderstorm activity. >>> this is a very special month for us. our nbc bay area and telemundo family is clearing the shelters. we are helping placed pets into loving families like yours. >> we are hosting big pet adoptions. nbc's chris camaro takes us behind the scenes with a special guest. >> this is conrad. imagine if our dogs and cats could talk. what would they say? he would probably ask for a second dinner. if some of the cats in clear the shelters could talk, they would tell you a secret about an unusual trip they took that likely saved their lives. on the surface it's all fun and games at berkeley humane, but behind the scenes the staff is scrambling. >> we

when the dobbs decision was made, ohio was one of the states that had a ten-year-old rape victim whoad to go to indiana to access health care and access an abortion. when we think about issues around our state, this election was critical to helping people make that decision, and i think it's also important to point out that this was a nonpartisan, if you will, result. democrats and republicans alike believe in protecting the one person, one vote simple majority rule so despite what polls across the nation may say as it relates to republican versus democrats, when it came to this issue of issue 1, we were able to bring both democrats and republicans together and that demonstrates what happens when the people come together, the votes are successful and the country succeeds. >> now, we should note that abortion law you noted there is on hold. it's being reviewed by your state supreme court. congresswoman shontel brown, thank you for joining us. >> thank you for having me. >>> we'll have more on what it means on a national level when we return. not just what is is happening in ohio but t

wade when you're ago in the dobbs decision.ter ohio voters yesterday rejected a ballot measure and turned out in favor of abortion rights, the washington post front page morning. the request saying ohio is a roadmap for democrats to energize the electorate to come and vote for democrats. howmportant is the abortion issue in your 2024 vote? charles, maryland, independent. hello. are you there in maryland? one last call for charles. let me go to linda, democratic caller. good morning. caller: i would like to say i am rapidly pro-choice. i would never vote for a person who is antichoice. host: so you have always voted for democrats, i assume? caller: yes and there is no way you could get me to vote republican. host: in your top five issues for when you go to vote, where this abortion rank in the top five? caller: way up there. people talk about inflation but if you have kids you cannot afford, you will really be in financial trouble. imagine supporting five or six kids like they did in the old days when there was no contraception

we have them on our side when we say dobbs has shifted something in the american electorate.hful thinking on his part that if they make their case they will be able to bring folks to their side. i think it will only bring more people over to us. host: looking at the house, some democrats think it can be retaken in two years. do you think that is the case? guest: absolutely. there are 18 republican representatives in districts joe biden won in 2020. there are flippable seats beyond that. we have groups working hard on the ground holding folks accountable and working with other local activists making sure every time they take a vote, every time they are in washington enabling the republican agenda, their constituents hear about it. fundamentally, those are moderate districts that voted for joe biden. they do not want any part of this marjorie taylor greene agenda. they do not want any part of government shutdowns or debt ceiling hostagetaking. they want common sense representation. those folks have gotten where they are at fight associating themselves from the majority and we w

we have them on our side when we say dobbs has shifted something in the american electorate.hful thinking on his part that if they make their case they will be able to bring folks to their side. i think it will only bring more people over to us. host: looking at the house, some democrats think it can be retaken in two years. do you think that is the case? guest: absolutely. there are 18 republican representatives in districts joe biden won in 2020. there are flippable seats beyond that. we have groups working hard on the ground holding folks accountable and working with other local activists making sure every time they take a vote, every time they are in washington enabling the republican agenda, their constituents hear about it. fundamentally, those are moderate districts that voted for joe biden. they do not want any part of this marjorie taylor greene agenda. they do not want any part of government shutdowns or debt ceiling hostagetaking. they want common sense representation. those folks have gotten where they are at fight associating themselves from the majority and we w

and so in a state like ohio, after the dobbs decision was made and roe v.the state that had a 10-year-old rape victim who had to flee the state because she could not access an abortion here. we are also the state that has a program of volunteer pilots that were helping women who don't have the resources to be able to fly out of the state to get access to abortion care. so when you think about these things as it relates to state by state initiatives and a federal ban on abortion, that is wrong. it is wrong on every level. so we need to make sure we are doing -- serving the people that are -- that elected us to represent them. and that was another thing that was key about issue one. it wasn't just about abortion, although they said that quiet part out loud. but if you wondered about protecting the one person, one vote simple majority. and that will impact. >> including raising the minimum wage and ending gerrymandering in a state like ohio. >> this was about choice. it was also about democracy. congresswoman chantel brown, thank you for taking the time to joi

grandfather dobbs didn't. that was a good enough reason. but anyway, we'll move on from that or get it now in his he he actually ended up going to seminary right tim at school of ministry and had a have a little in terms of he was an eloquent speaker but his writing left to be desired so he often had a handicap talk how he plagiarized. well as it says to it i didn't want to say that to be blunt here. we're among friends. listen, as i said before, i think it's important that we acknowledge that our heroes don't have to be perfect or else who's going to expect anyone to be a hero to lead? who's going to a position of leadership? if you have to be perfect of us are perfect. so he skipped several grades at school. it really set him back and had to account for it and it affected his his his performance all through high college. and then also i think there's a somewhat of a culture there are some experts in the room who can chime in on this or dispute me, but i preachers don't the same attitude about plagiarism that college professors have becaus

coming out of dobbs, out of step with voters.e head to critical vote which should be made by the people. >> laura: this is all they have to run on, remember that, wasn't joe scarborough pro-life at one point, i forgot that. decision should be made by the people, the whole point of overturning roe v. wade, that is what democracy is. new cnn poll found 60% want pro-life politicians to leave abortion up to each state, that is what is happening across the state. i don't agree with this decision, i will not apologize for being pro-choice. we wanted to give the choice to the people, let politicians persuade people one way or the other. running away as a republican -- becoming like what, pro-abortion? voters would consider that evil, we have to fight it out state by state and should ignore voices of those who think the dobbs decision was wrongly decided, framers never would have considered it. the left understand some principles are more important than short-term and they knowing that that actually cost them elections across the country

what has changed since dobbs and i think this is something that republicans are trying to grapple withding since dobbs have been overturned, we see happening to women, criminalizing women, criminalizing doctors, women losing their lives because there is so much fear about what to do when people are saying, you know,know what, the doctor should be -- >> and nikki haley talked about her own struggle to have children. that is why i think i don't want to speak for our democratic friends up here but i have to imagine watching nikki haley would make you nervous that you would rather run against donald trump than nikki haley. i think the moment where she got the weakest response was when she said donald trump is the least popular politician in america and we have to move beyond him and there was some moves in that audience and the republican electorate has not decided -- >> every time someone remotely criticized donald trump, they were booed. chris christie and asa hutchinson. >> as our friend james carver used to teach me, a man never standed taller than to kiss an ass. and i think a lot of

despite after dobbs, the closest provider because of the disaperns of abortion care after dobbs, thes in chicago. a nine-hour drive by car, too far and too expensive to make the trip. regina said she simply didn't have the money or time off work. ashley was terrified about going into labor. her son, nicknamed peanut, is now a few weeks old. any day now, his mother by government mandate, who is young enough to be his big sister, will start seventh grade. joining me is shannon brewer, she's the former director of mississippi's jackson women's health organization. the clinic at the center of the dobbs case. thank you, thank you, thank you, shannon brewer. you're the one person i really wanted to talk to about this case. thank you for saying yes. let's talk about this little girl. that's the reality now for little girls all across your former state. what are your thoughts? >> my thoughts actually is this is exactly what we have been telling everybody is going to happen. this is going to happen a lot more, probably has already happened. we're just hearing about this one. this is what we w

folks in the middle, what has changed since dobbs and i think this is something that republicans are of having a right, a freedom taken away and the understanding since dobbs has been overturned we've seen happening to women, criminalizing women and losing their lives because there's so much fear about what to do when people are saying, you know what? the women and their doctors should make that decision. >> nikki haley specifically said we shouldn't be criminalizing women and she talked about her own personal struggle and i don't want to speak for my democratic friends and i have to imagine watching nikki haley that you would rather run against donald trump and nikki haley. the problem nikki haley will face is the moment she got the wachest response in the crowd that donald trump is the least popular politician in america and we have to move beyond him. there were some boos out in that odd wrens and the republican electorate has not yet decided yes, we actually think that direction is more likely to defeat joe biden. they still think donald trump --? every time someone remotely crit

not to mention on the dobbs decision when justice clarence thomas said the quiet part out loud, whichonal right from women on reproductive choice, that he said, that in-line, in terms of what might come next, is your right to contraception that will affect all genders your right to marry the person you love, same point and so there is so much on the line with these issues that affects everyone and the people you love and for that reason, let's take it seriously and let's, you know, speak with our vote and undo what i think is a great travesty of justice as it relates to that dobbs decision >> seth: i have a lot more to ask you. [ cheers and applause >> okay. >> seth: i do hope you'll stick around we'll be right back with more from the vice president, everybody. [ cheers and applause ♪ (vo) ninety-two percent of students in high-needs schools can't afford essential school supplies. subaru and our retailers are there to help by giving millions of dollars in funding along with school supplies students need. we call it “the subaru love promise” and we are proud to be the largest corporate

that's 90 days after the dobbs decision.na be some tsunami of pro-choice voters, it would've happened in 2022, and just never occurred. >> we did say that when i drove of course. many expected it was going to be a republican red wave in the midterms. and that didn't happen. mike gonidakis, we'll see what happens come november with that measure in your state. president of ohio right to life, thank you for your time tonight. >> thank you so much. >> for more on this i want to bring in ohio democratic congressman, chantal brown, thank you so much for being here. what do you make, let's go start with the idea that this has failed? that this issue has failed. and that obviously, abortion advocates want to this, those who favor having choices, having abortion, people be able to make those decisions wanted this to fail. what is the response to that tonight? >> first and foremost, thank you for having me. and i want to thank the voters, and the volunteers who showed up, and showed, out in ohio for this. what was a rushed, and in my

at companies that decided to offer financial help for out of state abortions just shortly after the dobbsr words, if you worked for these companies and lived in a state with a strict abortion ban, your company would cover the cost of traveling out of state to get an abortion. so, here's what they found. the companies that announced these policies saw an 8% increase and people clicking on their job postings compared with similar jobs at similar employers who did not have such a policy. so you can look on your screen there, that dotted line, that's when the dobbs ruling was officially released. the study's author says the uptick you see after that, it is equivalent to what they expect to see if those firms had just announced a 12% increase in actual wages. that higher level interest was especially noticeable and typically female dominated jobs and states where abortion became illegal after dobbs. so nursing, child care, den dentistry. there was also a downside. the study found the same companies had a drop in job satisfaction from many existing employees, according to employee reviews that

and there was overturn of dobbs. and now there's the question is well what do we do now?epublicans have not really figured out an easy solution that makes majority of the country happy. so they're really struggling any time they get asked on this issue. >> you know, we knew this was going to be the post dobbs reality. here we are a year and change out from it. but it hasn't quite played out exactly as we expected. i think the standing presumption was all the red states are going to say -- take away abortion rights. >> they haven't all. >> they haven't, exactly. that's the point. >> but because of -- >> because of what we're talking about here, people have said not so fast. we're not sure we're in on this. and that's one of the virtues of direct democracy. >> but the attempt to change those standards, to roll back direct democracy and majoritarian rule is a direct insult to the alleged the states will figure it out for themselves impulse that dogz opened the door to. it is an attempt to rig and push back direct democracy and majoritarian democracy. >> the states will figur

oh my brilliant panel of political commentator chloe dobbs , former editor of dobbs, former editor ofourlist political labourlist and political commentator edwards, and commentator peter edwards, and deputy leader of the uk independence party , rebecca independence party, rebecca jane. rebecca i will start with you. what do you make of all that? >> wow. a labour council are using political problem for using a political problem for a raw personal gain . raw personal gain. >> not surprising in the slightest . she's about as slightest. she's about as corrupt as every other politician that we've got today as well. in my personal opinion, it's appalling. i don't understand why labour will ever stand by her, but of course they will because that is all that labour want. they want to be pro—immigration about these pro—immigration, all about these safe routes and all safe and legal routes and all the of it. in meantime, the rest of it. in the meantime, our can't and if our country can't cope and if they power it'll be far they get in power it'll be far worse than what we're experiencing now. r

oh my brilliant panel of political commentator chloe dobbs , former editor of dobbs, former editor ofourlist political labourlist and political commentator edwards, and commentator peter edwards, and deputy leader of the uk independence party , rebecca independence party, rebecca jane. rebecca i will start with you. what do you make of all that? >> wow. a labour council are using political problem for using a political problem for a raw personal gain . raw personal gain. >> not surprising in the slightest . she's about as slightest. she's about as corrupt as every other politician that we've got today as well. in my personal opinion, it's appalling. i don't understand why labour will ever stand by her, but of course they will because that is all that labour want. they want to be pro—immigration about these pro—immigration, all about these safe routes and all safe and legal routes and all the of it. in meantime, the rest of it. in the meantime, our can't and if our country can't cope and if they power it'll be far they get in power it'll be far worse than what we're experiencing now. r

that the real genuine victim of dobbs, of the dobbs leak, the genuine victim of everything is clarenceng in some sense. that's the card he's been playing for a long time. you know, in a way, i guess what's interesting about this particular filing and the tone of the letter that comes with it from his attorney is that the argument finally is oh, now we're going to tell you why clarence thomas, who claimed that he didn't like lavish travel, and he doesn't like international trips. he just wants to hang out in his rv with his wife in walmart parking lots, why he has been traveling around on private jets and going to luxury resorts around the country. and the answer is it's our fault. we made him do that. he's so afraid of the haters that he's been forced to travel abroad. and it's just such as you say a tonal anomaly given what clarence thomas and the conservative super majority have wreaked upon the nation, the actual tangible arms of dobbs and gruene, of the clean water act and the clean air act. so the idea that there is only one person who is suffering at the moment in america, and it

. >> coming out of dobbs, republicans are simply out of step with the majority of voters. >> what weght is such an important victory as we head to the a critical vote which should be made by the people. >> laura: this is all they have to run on. remember that wasn't joe scarborough pro-life at one point? i forgot that of course the decisions should be made by the people. that was the whole point of roe v. wade. that's what democracy is. in fact, a new cnn poll found that 66% of those are happy with the court's decision to overturn roe. that they want pro-life politicians to leave abortion decisions up to each state. and that's what we see happening across the country. look, i don't agree with ohio's decision here. and i'm never going to apologize for being pro-life. we wanted the issue to go to the voters. take it out of the hands of unelected judges and justices and give it to the people. let the politicians persuade voters one way or another. running away from this issue as a republican, it's not going to work. becoming like what pro-abortion? well, you know, voters would consider

guest: we certainly saw in the 2022 midterms, evidence that the backlash to the dobbs decision helpedoften the losses the democrats were otherwise in store for in the 2022 midterms. historically, the democrats take a drubbing in the midterm elections when that party's president is in power. democrats held the senate and their losses in the house were fairly minimized to the point where democrats have a legitimate chance to take back the house in the 2024 election. a lot of the polling shows the reason that democrats are able to keep their losses in 2022 to a minimum was because, especially suburban voters, women voters were externally upset about the dobbs decision and completely taken aback they actually follow through and overturned roe. i think that dynamic will persist into 2024. this is an issue that is creating a political wing that -- at joe biden's back. president biden is reluctant to engage in this conversation. he has stopped short of directly criticizing the court. a lot of democrats on capitol hill have started directing criticism at the supreme court. joe biden has sort

for speeches that he gave including a very provocative speech that he gave in rome right after the dobbs v. wade" and so some of that arises in that context. and what clarence thomas himself put on the form about one of the private jet trips that he put on harlan crow's dime came in may of 2022 about a week after the dobbs leak, the leak of the decision reversing "roe v. wade" and he said that he had been advised to be taking private travel instead of commercial instead of safety concerns, and it is the first time that it has been in writing and the first time of assertion, and we are not sure if the justices are taking more private travel rather than commercial because of the security considerations. >> yes, it is interesting, because the polling has shown that popular opinion of the supreme court is near all-time lows. on the that point, joan, you had reported previously that chief justice john roberts has been trying to get the same justices on the same page with a code of ethics, and some kind of agreement to say this is okay, this is not okay, and this what we need to report, and do

that is one and dobbs is one. i think dobbs is the right decision, returns it to the democratic process. all these predictions that abortion would be snuffed out and so forth. it wasn't. there are a lot of compromises and give and take because we have returned it to them, the democratic process. we have not done that with gay marriage and so forth and i think it creates all or nothing situations and doesn't leave people free to live by their own beliefs and run their own institutions because of those beliefs. they are ostracized, they were denied the right to have a family. >> john: see how the case progresses in the commonwealth of massachusetts. bill, good to have you on today to expand on your views. >> gillian: the hawaii wildfires are the deadliest in modern u.s. history. 106 people in maui are now confirmed deceased, hundreds more, possibly even 1,000, remain still missing. this as search and rescue crews are sifting through the devastation. william joins us from the island of maui. hi, william. >> good morn

>> i think it will only be worsened by the dobbs decision. i think the states in which individuals are having to carry pregnancies that they either did not desire to carry or their clinicians thought they were not healthy enough to carry, that will only exacerbate the inequities we see in severe maternal morbidity as well as fatality. >> the dr. is now preparing the next generation of doctors to carry forward her work. >> my mission as an ob/gyn and educator is i want to fundamentally change how we provide care to black women, how we provide care to other women from marginalized communities, and addressing a lot of these issues that we have talked about related to unconscious bias, related to structural racism, related to trust, related to >> crystal meanwhile is settling into motherhood. >> i am learning something new every day. i'm learning that i'm not actually in charge. i can make a schedule, i can make a plan, but my girls are really the ones who are going to dictate how the day is going to go. it has been exciting. it has been joyful,

i have contended all along ever since the supreme court decision, dobbs, i don't thinks wanted to ever win it all, because they were going to face the uprising, and they have really underestimated how many voters are going to show up, and what's interesting, too, and one thing you didn't mention and i'm sure you're aware of earlier this year it's a waste of money. it's $20 million. early in the year no more elections. it's bad for democracy, it's bad for our government, and now here we are. republicans are once again putting this on a ballot in august and election day is tomorrow. i'm looking n forward to voting. i'm going to do it in person. we should of course acknowledge i'm mar teed to u.s. senator sherrod brown. the secretary of state is one of the people whoar wants this job running for the senate but also pulling this stunt. >> leto me ask you about the other side of the fight here. is this a democrats versus republicans fight in ohio? or is this the kind of fight where it's clearly republican and the anti-abortion movement that is pushing this with a lot of support outside stat

written a bit more about it this summer because i turned in the book, i turned in right before the dobbs decision. it came out my book out right after the dobbs decision that there's a real link in the ways that we conceive religion and tax status and speech. and so it's very dangerous ways that corporations have been so far able to say we want to pay for abortions because that violates our religion. and similar things are happening with queer stuff already. there's lawsuits have already been filed and that's a really dangerous thing. and i think it was the times that might have made propublica, but there was a massive investigative story a month, two months ago about how these hospitals are nonprofits, but they're using aggressive bill collecting techniques for people who are supposed to be getting care for free. and they're not even aware that supposed to be getting care for free because they're the same kind of bill collectors. they would get from a for profit hospital system to get to. and you got it. thank you. thank you. one of the thing on the reproductive rights front, i thinking

when dobbs came in and it down roe v. wade, and returned the issue of abortion, like the issue of gun control, minim wage, etc., to the political realm both on the federal and the state level. a lot of republican responses to eight, lindsey graham from south carolina, might support what pence calls the minimum standard, that on a federal level, after 15 weeks abortion will be outlawed except in cases like rape, incest and severe threat to the physical health of the mother. the states could more restrictive. 95% of abortions are in the first 15 weeks. so the 5% of later abortions would need to have one of these exemptions in order to be legal. if florida wanted to outlaw it at six weeks when the baby has a heartbeat, florida can do that. but new york obviously would not pass any restrictions. but it would still be illegal after 15 weeks under this bill. nikki haley's point that you probably don't have the majority of the senate or the super majority to overcome a filibuster is also true. to get 60 votes in the u.s. senate

he's the architect of the dobbs decision. the fact that he appointed these three justices, but you never hear him taking credit for it. even yesterday, when he talks about abortion, he makes clear that he believes in exceptions and he says that over and over again. and he will not answer questions on a national ban. he has told people he thinks thz a losing issue. he doesn't want to campaign on it. >> the further he's gone is there's a vital role for the federal government. >> it's not likely he will go much further than that. the results out of ohio, the other states that we talked about, just show what a difficult issue it is. this is a personal issue for people. for women, for men and this horrible story of a 10-year-old girl who was rape d and you hav to go to indiana, voters in ohio heard that. people talk about this with their families, with their lives, with their daughters, with their sons. it's just something that people experience, so the idea that politicians should decide such a personal issue, i think, it really

i think when the supreme court overturned roe versus wade in the dobbs decision they said this shouldmocratic efforts popping up in an effort to silence the populous about what they feel is right in terms of reproductive health. as you talked about in the six other ballot initiatives on this issue, even in conservative states, they have affirmed that women should have a right to choose in terms of their reproductive health. so instead of playing by those rules, what we're seeing and what the supreme court predicted was absolutely wrong, in the sense that when it goes to the states instead of playing by the rules, state legislatures, many of whom are incredibly gerrymandered that want to prevent the people from voting because when the people vote we see they want to protect women's reproductive health. >> this is what we're seeing across the country. this isn't just about ohio, this idea of republicans saying, well, if we can't win the right way, then how about we just change the rules. that wasn't just donald trump, it wasn't just his cronies, it is the modern practice of this party.

and here we are, more than a year after dobbs, and it is still rallying people 57%. that's a big victory for the pro abortion rights group. >> a huge victory. like a huge victory in wisconsin, a state that's always been very close. a huge victory in kansas, another state that was red. time and time again, you look at these polls, and they just don't tell the tale. people a year and a half out, are you going to vote for the guy -- for people that don't follow closely, are we going to vote for the guy who falls off his bike and stutters once in a while or a guy who created a riot. and do you remember the red wave of 2022? neither do, you know why? it never happened. you know why it never happened? abortion's a big issue. also, some people, i know it's quaint if you right this morning for the "wall street journal" editorial page or on fox news, some people love american democracy. we're kind of old-fashioned that way. i don't know. it's worked for us for 240 or so years. we would like to keep it for another 240 years. so you add abortion and american democracy, because

but this is the latest test in the post dobbs environment, especially in red states across the country. >> and so, what are you hearing from voters there? where is their head? >> reporter: well, if you look at the numbers here, and it is clear with the numbers that we have gotten from the secretary of state's office so far that despite the fact that this was an election that was popped up last minute, that polling places have had to scramble, that voters are trying to see where they can vote because not all polling places are available, nevertheless, turnout is really high and you talk to organizers like i did yesterday, they are hearing voters who are answering their phones, who are opening their doors and saying they're aware of what's going on in this, it might be the dog days of summer, but voters seem energized. listen to what some organizers yesterday told me as they were trying to get out the vote. watch. >> i think there is a lot of anger when people find out the details in issue one. i hear a lot of anger. and i have since the beginning. and i heard that around the state. and

since the dobbs decision overturned roe v.state where abortion or reproductive freedom amendments have been put on the ballot, americans of a voted in favor of the amendment. so, what does this mean for upcoming elections? well, i'm going to leave it to my political panel to give us some answers on that. here they, are joining me now former republican congressman carlos curbelo, he's a florida, an msnbc political analyst. the democratic status -- chuck rochelle as well. he is the co-host of the latino vote podcast. welcome to you gentlemen. okay, look, most of donald trump's base favors the reverse of roe v. wade. we'll put the numbers on the screen for some maps. some of the suburban counties in ohio that trump run in 2020, it's seen right on the map. they joined democratic areas in opposing this resolution. ohio issue one. that's represented in yellow on the 2023 map. we have seen this, you know, same pattern with referendums and kansas, and michigan. let me tell you, there's not enough democrats in kansas to have put that i

wade and the dobbs decision played a role in the amount of division, but i also think people understand that you cannot lose rural america like that and then make it up in the suburbs or in urban areas, especially in lower turnout elections. the virginia governor's election is a great example of where the strategy was once again to focus on just suburban and urban voters, and rural voters voted overwhelmingly. young kim got a greater percentage than what trump did. showing up is a big part of it, but do not show up empty-handed. understand, but also listen. preach, but also try to bring people together. we will see what happens. i think any political scientists will tell you that democrats will not be a majority party, must address this political divide. host: how do you think president biden is doing reaching out to those areas? guest: jennifer, who has been tasked with leading the energy transformation has been out, willing to meet with workers, willing to have those conversations with state leaders. i think mitch was terrific for the infrastructure. he has been all over. does it reso

private flights to dallas due to the increased security risk following the dobbs abortion opinion leak. then, quote, flights to the adrianax due to a -- thomas disclosing a real estate sale, crow buying properties from he and his wife for $133,000. thomas claiming he's making these disclosures now due to new guidance, ie scrutiny. but they have long reported gifts valued at more than $415. propublica first reporting on hundred of thousands of dollars in travel, gifts paid for by harlan crow. joining me now, the lewis black of politics, one of my favorite people. ellie, let u.s. start with this. it would seem to me that all of the pressure from propublica and members of congress and members of the press have finally gotten to clarence thomas. is the fact that he has released some financial disclosure a sign of progress or is it really almost a flex, because he's only giving a little bit of information, he's still going to keep his job? >> you mean you don't believe that clarence thomas just misremembered getting $133,000 for his mother's house? you don't believe he just willfully forgot