doca was people without legal status.one important point is, 21 years for the petition for a visa followed by a ten-year bar. more importantly, parents of lawfully residents can never get a visa through their children. this is a case where the policy's favoring people who have not been a class congress has preferred. >> professor foley? >> yeah, i would just say. it seems patent to me that doca and dopa are categorical exemptions from law. and with respect to the professor who says that's not the case, just look to president obama's own words when he announced dopa publicly in november of 2014. he said in a televised speech before the nation all i'm saying is we are not going to deport you. i think that speaks volumes. the other thing i would say with regard to doca is just look at the numbers. we have two years of experience with doca at this point, and the latest numbers as of the end of 2014 show that 97% of doca applications have been approved by the administration and in a letter from director leon rodriguez to senat

blush i agree that 95% sounds high, but it's not when you think about who is actually applying for docaand dopa. if you're an undocumented immigrant and in addition you have some other negative conduct in your background, there are at least two things you're very unlikely to do. first of all, you're not going to initiate contact with the government and say this is my name, this is where i live i'm undocumented and i also have this other negative thing in my background. and here are my fingerprints so that the fbi can do a background check on me. you're not likely to do that. second, unless you're independently wealthy, and not many of these folks are, you're not going to send the government a check for $465 for something you're very unlikely to receive. for both reasons, this tends to be a very self-selecting population overwhelmingly people with rock solid cases and therefore the high approval rate in no way is evidence of these solutions being rubber stamped. i would add quickly the notion they're being rubber stamped is quite a surprise to the 38,000 people who have received denial n

exactly how much on average will it cost cis and any other agencies involved to process doca and dapa applications in related benefits sir? >> in response to your last question the dapa program, had it gone forward on schedule, was intended to pay for itself through fees, application fees. as i'm sure you know, the court in texas has enjoined that program. the case is on appeal right now. same thing with the daca program for kids. like many activities at uscis the program is intended to pay for itself through the collection of fees that are submitted with applications. >> and i agree, the court has issued a stay of the president's executive order. but surely there must be a plan in place, or there must have been a plan in place to pay for this. would it be that the fees that legal immigrants people who are playing by the rules are paying would those funds be designated to use to pay for those who are not here legally? was that the plan? >> that would not be the intent. there was, and is a well-developed implementation plan that called for the hiring of certain personnel, additional pe

same with the doca program for kids.activities the program is intended to pay for itself through the collection of fees that are submitted with applications. >> and i agree the court has issued a stay of the president's executive order. but surely, there must be a plan in place or must have been a plan in place to pay for this. would it be that the fees that legal immigrants, people who are playing by the rules are paying. would those funds be designated to use to pay for those who are not here legally? was that the plan? there was and is a well developed implementation plan. to administer the plan. the leasing of additional office space, space for processing applications and the intent was and is that the program would be paid for. that's the intent. >> thank you, sir. >> testified about his support for the public/private partnerships and participation in reforming the tsa. as well as efficiency. what are you doing throughout dhs, sir to improve the relationship between industry and your agencies in order to streamline

the national league of cities filed an amicus brief that i think said it best -- doca and dopa will fuel in cities across the country, increase public safety and public engagement, and facilitate the full integration of immigrant presidents by limiting family separation. that is from the national league of cities. [applause] thank you. from my homeland security point of view, from my homeland security law enforcement point of view, we need to encourage people who have been here for years to come out of the shadows, to be held accountable. the litigation and the decision in the injunction puts us in an untenable position. the judge does not quarrel with the notion that we have the ability to engage in prosecutorial discretion, prioritize felons over families, prioritize criminals over those who have been here and not committed any serious crimes. i want to take the additional step and encourage them to come out of the shadows so that we know who they are. the injunction basically prevents us from doing that. we're supposed to somehow leave these people in the shadows. we want to take step

the president himself if you remember, said a year before doca was announced that he didn't have the constitutional authority to do it. here we have an amnesty issue that led to the murder of four people. >> is there any congress >> is there any congress review about this? >> sure, we can take away the president's authority. we're trying to do that now through an appropriation bill. we can pass a good immigration bill that secures the borders. and making sure that we have interior enforcement. >> so will -- you've demanded something. was this guy given a stay of deportation, they haven't responded yet. do you think they will? >> well, they better. you know, i'm chairman of the committee. before i before i was compharman of the committee, they all used the excuse that they didn't have to respond to an individual senator, only chairman. now, they don't like to give these answers out, so i wouldn't be surprised that they'll come up with some other reason that they can't give the information out. but it's very embarrassing to them. so you can understand why they had might be reluctant to