dodaro: yes. rep. fallon: maybe you could argue that oversight and accountability works, looking for those efficiencies. and quantifying that and trying to organize it into an effort where we can increase the scale is a good thing for the country. i just went to austin, texas. i was in the legislature for eight years and visited with some of my colleagues. they were telling us in their professional opinions that these folks have done it -- one of them, mr. chairman, has spent 25 years investigating primarily medicaid fraud. i asked, in your professional opinion, after a quarter-century of doing what you have done, of the $50 billion that texas spends on retirements, but percentage of that is fraud, waste, and abuse? he said it best 10% and at worst probably just north of 20%. in texas alone, we are talking $7.5 billion of money spent by the taxpayers but not getting to the people that needed. you get folks that lie, where they are making much more income than they admit to, or you've got the fraudsters

dodaro: yes. rep. fallon: maybe you could argue that oversight and accountability works, looking for those efficiencies. and quantifying that and trying to organize it into an effort where we can increase the scale is a good thing for the country. i just went to austin, texas. i was in the legislature for eight years and visited with some of my colleagues. they were telling us in their professional opinions that these folks have done it -- one of them, mr. chairman, has spent 25 years investigating primarily medicaid fraud. i asked, in your professional opinion, after a quarter-century of doing what you have done, of the $50 billion that texas spends on retirements, but percentage of that is fraud, waste, and abuse? he said it best 10% and at worst probably just north of 20%. in texas alone, we are talking $7.5 billion of money spent by the taxpayers but not getting to the people that needed. you get folks that lie, where they are making much more income than they admit to, or you've got the fraudsters