dogbane's better for... mia: how beautiful is that? cordero-lamb: fantastic. >> oh, we make it the same way? cordero-lamb: yeah, exactly the same way, with the vast fibers on the outside of the... look really closely at the flowers. they're super fancy. >> they're upside down. cordero-lamb: yeah. isn't that cool? >> wow. that is cool. does it smell good? > i don't think so. casmali: i think often there's the necessity of, like, reimagining things to come to a new reality, and i think there's an opportunity in california specifically for the return to what we've always done as a way to move forward. cordero-lamb: yum. hwah! have you ever had these? >> no. i don't know. cordero-lamb: the most sour thing. >> hmm. mm. [indistinct] cordero-lamb: yeah. ha ha ha! see? see where the base of the plant is, right down in there? >> oh, yes. cordero-lamb: we're kind of working out from there... >> ok. cordero-lamb: so the first stuff we'll go after is the dead stuff... >> ok. cordero-lamb: and just get in there and start clipping back just the dead