in 1980 you and bernadine dohrn resurfaced.nd when she turned herself in bernadine dohrn to defeat the american empire. >> food for her. >> you say -- but your comrades did not get the let's be more peaceful. i say this because kathy will kerson, a member of the weather underground, correct? >> she was with us understood ground but -- >> right. she wrote after the fact, and i quote, the process by which weather leaders change from the language of glorifying violence in january 1970 to moderation was invisible to almost all weather members. certainly the assumption of most was to build a clandestine fighting force was full steam ahead. if ayers says things were different in the west, most participants did not know this. what did you do to communicate to the people in your group no more violence? >> i don't agree with kathy. so i don't know what to say about it. we were a loose organization. we were not a disciplined organization. but we changed dramatically in 1970 there's no question. >> but you take responsibility -- i read th

as far as i am concerned bill ayers and bernadine dohrn have blood dripping from their hands. >> nottrue. it was always property damage in our activities. it is just not true. >> you deny that terry robins was responsible for that bombing? is he was part of the weather under ground. >> he was in new york. i have no idea he was. i don't think he was. >> he is one of the guys who blue into the pub. >> that's right. >> one of the activities four years ago i don't think it's bad to stir through them and try to understand them. >> you have written about them? >> i have written about them myself. i think it would be fair and balanced to also look at the violence that was and is going on perpetrated the government, by the official agencies in ordinance of the government. >> let me tell you what i hear when i hear that. i hear you saying, you sound like with respect to osama bin laden. in order to evaluate my actions which have hurt a lot of people. i know you deny it. but there's evidence that the weather under ground was involved. >> when john murtagh says there's blood on your hands what