so they could have put that doinge in and yet something a machine could have done or 10 more years and when he left, they put the machine in his place. >> did he work overnight because they gave a small percentage of the premium? >> when you sorted the mail by 10%, yes, he got paid a night differential. >> your mother was a secretary for security firm. >> that was the burgeoning industry in my part of brooklyn. that was the growth industry waws the worker alarm industry. industry.glar alarm >> you made to the top of goldman sachs because white? >> this goes to the heart of the other question. yada yada. i worked hard, i applied myself. i did errands, i worked hard, but guess what? i was lucky. i fell in with people who gave me good advice. i went to a good frim. -- good firm. my firm did well. i climbed up the ladder. and it all worked out. you can be supersmart and somebody won't tak interest in or it is a bad industry. in life you have to be good, but you have to be lucky, too. us alsoave to remind this because it makes you more empathetic for the misfortunes of others. >> are you st