>> this is steve dolim and as part of that checklist committee i would have to say remember this was a list geared to trained building federals who d -- officials and have the code at their fingertips and more knowledgeable with the code than the common business person so i would say this is not geared to the common business person but to a practicing business official and may encourage that they need counsel as a small business before embarking on their changes. >> yes? >> i think the value for a small business person is that it makes a list in simple terms of the kinds of things they need to be asking about for their store like doors and series. what does it mean? and it allows them to ask the question and if they're energetic they can see the code online but allows them to ask the builder or architect what does it mean and introduces them to the code opposed to going to a code document they would be lost. >> thank you. so just wondering how your departments have engaged california as access specialists in plan review and site inspections? has this helped to improve accessibility c

. >> [inaudible] >> one of the -- this is commissioner dolim and the textbook and the examples that we all have in our career come up and i was trying to explain to a client with a strip mall and why they needed identification for the suites. we were arguing and no other way to see it and we're in a vacant suite. i can't afford this and i have to go to the bankruptcy judge and get money because the property was in foreclosure and this isn't going to help anybody and right then the door was swung open and a lady that was blind and threw the door open and said "is this the hair salon and i am late and is this suite 204" and like i prompted that but unfortunately it was really a situation -- >> you were talking about the signage. >> we were talking about the tactile signage that would identify the suites in a long door to different suites and low and behold the argument ended with the client and the tactile sign showed up the next week. >> that's exactly what you have to do and your example came in the door so that was easy for you. i have given the example and they have some element that

my name is steve dolim.cda and presently serving as vice chair to the commission. i think i also served in the purpose of our discussion is i served as the chair for our sub-committee on the accessibility check list project, and to give you a little history the accessibility check list sub-committee was formed in july of 2014. the purpose was in response with what the legislature tasked in senate bill 1608 which became government code, and several years before july of 2014 we -- this task was to create a check list a master check list for disability access compliance that maybe used by the building inspectors, and this was the mission as defined by the california legislature in preparing that law. the check list committee was formed with 11 members, and then the ccda executive director. the listen committee members made -- 11 members came from a very diverse background. we had five members of the aia. we had six registered architects. we had four certified access specialist institute members that are active

we notice that in our introductions and recognitions commissioner dolim wanted to mention a couple of recognitions and we want to make sure we do that. >> thank you angela. i am afraid in handling the papers and thanking the members of the check let list sub-committee and i will omitted a name and edia o'neal and i failed to into that in the meeting and i know she may not be on the phone or here and i deeply apologize because -- and i am being prompted that -- nia mar vely was on the list but i may have skipped over her as well at the building standards commission so my deep and sincere apologies. at the end wrapping up my part and representing the california commission on disability access. we are a small commission -- please, it sounds like a big name but we need feedback. we need participants. we welcome each one of you to get on the phone during the meetings or drop us a note but we would love participation from people on the phone, people in person, or getting in contact with one of the commissioners or angela and this input is very vital to help us be meaningful as a commission

. >> this commissioner dolim and i will expand it slightly and we have it as a guide when removing barriers or a permit active? front of us -- in front of us but what i got out of the question it's a relatively small percentage of the built environment out there today is currently under permit or active in the permitting process. there's a whole another facet -- probably the majority of our buildings are existing buildings that they're not in the process of any permit work. they might not have the benefit of this but from the public's viewpoint there seems to be that thought that well it was built 15 or 20 or 25 years ago it passed all of the inspections, so i'm grandfathered. have we ever heard that? >> all the time. >> does anybody want to talk about that because it's really a conundrum? this grandfathering thing, any panelists? >> well there is a certain amount of truth to that because if it was built by the accessibility code during that time and enjoys a safe harbor and unless it's a item new in the code they can't use it, but it's one of the things about the checklist you maybe lookin