>> she bought paul jennings from dolley madison to help madison out. dolly was substitute.he had a son who gambled and basically gambled away all of their money, and she was basically broke. she was living in washington, d.c., as this figure beloved by everybody, but she was for all intents and purposes, broke. so by buying paul jennings from dolley madison, sarah was able to give money to dolley. but in point of fact she only rented paul jennings from dolley. so she employed jennings and helped her out. brian: have you ever read the memoir on jennings? >> yes. i have. he was a remarkable figure. brian: why? >> he was really smart. he was very -- he saw a lot of stuff. i think the auto biography is amazing, and he was very dedicated to the madisons, who treated him extremely badly. especially dolley, i think. brian: it's not a small item, but not earth shattering. what role did she play in raising money for the washington monument? >> it's very funny as you say that. as i was driving into d.c. today with my 12 year old daughter, she said, look, there is the washington monum