well, it's a thought in dolton, germany. we guarantee academic freedoms or research buddies and scientists. decide for themselves, we can't do that centrally from belinda and we don't want to in mom. now there's no evidence at this point that laws have been broken. both the european union and germany have declared china to be a systemic rival. and authoritarian state there's pushing for a very different kind of world. china expert devi kirsten tac low says doing the kind of sensitive scientific research with china that we've uncovered is deeply complacent. there's a saying don't bite the hand that feeds you and i would actually turn it around and say, don't feed the hand, the bytes you the national university of defense technology is clear what it's trying to achieve. after we move on to dedicate our lives to the modernization of the national defense. so the question is, do your opinion universities really want to help and i'm joined now by sandra peterson, who's head of the w investigative team. sondra. welcome. and if i ca