finally the domenici rivlin debt reduction task force is hosted by the bipartisan policy center and it is still at work. i do not know what we will conclude that i will share some of the ideas of where i think we are headed. the google group is cochaired by pete domenici and alice rivlin and i can say the group is split equally between democrats and republicans and i know independents are also involved. it is focusing on debt reduction and stabilization. it started with a very clear agreement that everything must be on the table. there ae also many important outside groups working on outside encasement efforts including the concord coalition and dave walker's fiscal wake-up tour where they travel around the country doing meetings with the heritage foundation and brookings institution and the multicity town hall hook u convened by america speaks that what i've been been asked to do is to focus on the policy and groups that are out there. in terms of the fiscal goals that is actually quite remarkable how regularly we proceed to make budgets without a fiscal goal. the budget process doesn