joining us to discuss this and more is dominic leven he is a research professor at cambridge university a fellow of the british academy and of trinity college we also have william he is the daniel webster professor of government at dartmouth college and. he is the program director of the discussion group ok gentlemen let's talk about phobia. if you travel around you know the world give us an example of. you experience. well i think it's very clear in the old days in the united states i was there just a couple of weeks ago and what shocked me for instance that when the massacre in los vegas happened several american t.v. channels paid more. broad costs to the so-called russian mendeley. to the investigation of that terrible massacre and this is indicative i think we will be dealing with it was so full be. it states for for a good long while it would be i think we'd all agree that there's a there's something genuinely something historically called use of phobia but there's something else played also dominique and it's it's usage right now we just heard an example than that ok i mean this