this is more from the new filing by dominion.ed trump's son-in-law and senior adviser jared kushner with fox confidential information about he joe biden's ads along with debate strategy, providing kushner a preview of biden's ads before they were public. that is stunning. but on election night rupert would not help with the arizona call as rupert described it, quote, my friend jared kushner called me saying this is terrible and i could hear trump's voice in the background shouting. but rupert refused to budge. quote, and i said, well, the numbers are the numbers. by this point rupert knew no fraud had occurred. is it fair to say you seriously doubted any claim of mass election fraud? rupert, oh, yes. question, and you seriously doubted it from the very beginning? answer, yes. i mean, we thought everything was on the up and up. i think that was shown when we announced arizona. glenn, is this a good fact or a bad fact that the chairman of news corp. knew beyond any reasonable doubt that the night that fox calls arizona, which i thi

. >>> tonight on "the reidout" -- >> companies call dominion voting. several days ago, dominion came under heavy fire after allegations their machines caused thousands of votes in one michigan county were switched from donald trump to joe biden. >> we talked about the dominion software. there were voting irregiarities. >> that's to put it mildly. >> that's what they were saying on the air. when the cameras were off, those same fox hosts were calling election fraud claims bs, because on fox, it is all a performance. they knew trump lost but continued to lie to their audience to keep their maga viewers happy. >> also tonight, the real giuliani. although some called him america's mayor, there were disturbing signs long before he became trump's lawyer that he was willing to do or say anything to get rich and grab another moment in the spotlight. >>> plus, senator john fetterman's battle with clinical depression and how things have changed since another senator caused a firestorm with his own revelation a half century earlier. >> we begin tonight with some

this is from the filing about the number of times dominion contacted fox news.say they didn't have the facts. we know from this filing they were provided with the facts, 3,600 time, quote, fox admits sidney powell and her team never provided fox with any evidence. dominion, by contrast made over 3,600 separate communications to fox with at least a dozen separate and widely circulated fact check emails each pointing to verifiable third-party information debunking the claims. fox's research department itself along with multiple fox employees debunked these claims in realtime. no credible evidence ever existed for these, quote, absurd allegations against dominion. fox witness after fox witness has admitted as much. consistent with every single reputable third party and stacks of public record documents so it's not a story that they were fighting about amongst themselves and the powerful prime people prevailed because of their ratings numbers. it's a story that everybody, again, from rupert to scott to the three most watched primetime anchors knew as bs. >> to the p

in light of allegations by voting machine company dominion. we are still for our part pouring through court documents filed by dominion. those documents are filled to the brim with stunning revelations and evidence that fox news knew at the highest levels at the time that it was broadcasting misinformation to its audience. misinformation so dangerous that it led to death threats, harassment, ultimately it led to a deadly terror attack, so described by fbi director chris wray on the u.s. capitol dominion knew that sidney powell had never entered into an agreement to represent donald trump as his attorney. yet, she appeared on fox news over and over and over again. here is what lou dobbs said on december 10th, 2020, with sidney powell. >> my first guest tonight has new information regarding electoral fraud in the radical left's efforts to steal an election. we have tremendous evidence already of fraud in this election. >> lou, frankly nobody else over there had in, let alone tremendous evidence, so the statements were completely false and accord

by the dominion lawsuit. in his deposition, rupert murdoch was asked, what should the consequences be when fox news executives knowingly allow lies to be broadcast? the answer, they should be reprimanded. they should be reprimanded, maybe gotten rid of. rupert murdoch is the top executive in that company. he knowingly allowed lies to be broadcast by the rupert rule. he should be reprimanded. and maybe gotten rid of. everybody knows that that will never happen, because as everybody that works in, that temple of lies knows, reports rules do not apply to citizen murdoch. leading off our discussion tonight, democratic congressman adam schiff with california. he served in the january 6th select committee, and was the lead impeachment manager for the first impeachment trial of donald trump. he's currently a candidate for the united states senate in california, congressman schiff, thank you very much for joining us tonight, as i was reading through the dominion filing, it becomes very clear that the people on fox wh

you can see the pivot when they started moving to the lies about the dominion voting machines. what has it done since then to the political discourse that's perpetuating dominion being a bad actor, and changing and flipping votes for joe biden? >> it's completely rotted out the system, undermined the credibility of those who work in the space, legitimate businesses, those who have tried to sort of balance the topsyturvy side of projecting campaigns and elections and, you know, doing all the things that a dominion would do to make sure that votes are counted, votes are protected, et cetera, on one side, there are other companies that they partner with that are a part of that process. so it has had a downstream negative impact on a lot of the integrity and credibility of these businesses. so the fact that dominion has pushed back, is important, and the fact that they've now put this out on the street, and we're beginning to see a little bit behind the curtain is extremely important, and sort of doing two things. one, i remember requesting what a lot of us suspected in the first i

dominion voting machines.after the election with it. tommy fourth, the producer for laura ingraham show texted, this dominion shift is going to give me an effing aneurysm. here is sean hannity, presenting sydney powell when he knew, and everyone at fox knew, and rupert murdoch knew, that she was lying. >> we have evidence of corruption all across the country, in countless districts. the machine ran an algorithm that shaved votes from trump, awarded them to biden, and they were trash to the votes and awarded to president trump. using the machine to inject, and add, massive quantities of votes for mr. biden. >> every word of that was a lie, everyone knew that was a lie, and every time she told that lie. here is tucker carlson, presenting a guest attacking the dominion voting systems company when tucker carlson, and everyone at fox knew that everything this guy said was always a lie. >> of course, you will, likely, recognize our next guest. his name is mike lindell, he runs my pillow, he advertises every night on

>> it was a court filing that dominion filed.t this case should have been thrown out. the case is set to go to trial on april 17th. now, within this document, they included bits of redacted deposition with rupert murdoch so little bits and pieces and some of them are fairly rev la torre including at one point he says that during this time after the election, the weeks and months following it, he says quote that fox news was trying to straddle the line between spewing conspiracy theories and calling out the fact that they're false. >> reporter: a series of bombshell add miss from the opener of fox news. he acknowledged some of the cable network's hosts pushed false election fraud claims during the 2020 election. >> this is disgusting and we cannot allow america's election to be corrupted. >> you have every right not to have faith and confidence. >> reporter: murdoch's sworn out of court testimony, part of a filing by dominion voting systems. the 91-year-old was questioned about whether popular fox personalities like sean hannity,

dominion, i think, have been shined way from that. because of the very encyclopedic nature of the evidence that they have been able to gather. and what they think is an exceptionally for civil case. but there is a logic to the -- can fox offer an apology in a way that does not deeply offend or -- their core. viewers in terms of journalist like myself, people who work at major news organizations, where you think about trust and credibility. that has been in some ways, to the extent it was resilient it all, fairly undermined. and in a greater degree shattered by what we've read in these filings. because at no point did you hear someone make on the clarion call and say, trust and credibility lie and presenting the facts and truth in their audience. even at moments they may not want to hear. that's not what we heard. we heard the people angrily, as you pointed, out denouncing their colleagues. people like -- like neil caputo who were presenting fact-checks. who were saying we don't have evidence for these claims. they're baseless at this

i dared dominion to sue me because then it would get out faster. >> he dared dominion to sue. ta-da. that's what they did, suing the more powerful and important platform on which he spewed those lies and that now poorly, poorly aging dare, dominion's suing fox. they also, around the same interview, show that tucker carlson and lindell's team now they were false in advance, and murdoch went on to chide carlson saying it was wrong for tucker to host lindell. some of the receipts go all the way to the top, and as i mentioned just about every time i cover this story, there is freedom of speech in america and under our laws. there is a constitutional right to speech. there's no right to maliciously lie or fan an insurrection or to pretend the first amendment is a total bar and blanket against any consequences after you exercised your freedom of speech. this ain't kindergarten, but, yes, actions have consequences. we all learn that sooner or later one way or the other. so we're watching here something pretty significant, a potential legal road to a reckoning that many people people

those dominion software systems? they changed more votes than vladimir putin ever did. >> that night, president trump tweeted that fox news host sean hannity show is a must-see because of his takedown of the horrible, inaccurate and anything but secure dominion voting system, which is used in states where tens of thousands of votes were stolen from us and given to biden. a newer fox news correspondent, a woman named jacqui heinrich -- deleted or lost votes changed votes, or was in any way compromised, which is exactly how reporters should have responded to the claims that trump was making. but later that night, in a group text that, apparently, exists, with fox news host laura ingraham, tucker carlson and sean hannity, carlson texted hannity, please, get her fired, what the f? -- it needs to stop immediately, like tonight. it's a measurably hurting the company. -- by the next morning, heinrich had deleted that fact check. the entire filing by dominion is bonkers. and yes, that's a technical term. it reads like a nove

because what struck me from this dominion filing was this part.wrote, fox knew from the top down, fox do the dominion stuff was total bs. based on this filing, how strong do you think dominion's argument is? >> i think dominion has accumulated extraordinary category i mean a catalog of information that puts to light the idea that there was doubt in the minds of people behind the scenes on fox, the people that are most famous names on fox. what they have done i believe it 172 page filing, is really lift the rock, stripped bare the curtain, whatever analogy you choose to use, to show what was happening behind the scenes. it was a time of contempt for the kinds of claims that were being put on the air. and that same time, there was this urgent drive to do so because they felt their viewers needed to hear, reassurance that their belief that trump was cheated, fostered from the very top, official in the white house himself. was right because they defended those viewers by reporting on election night, that joe biden was going to win arizona and they def

this is dominion suing fox.s is not a larger effort to vindicate the interests of the american people as they learn that fox news lied to them, but it may have some impact in that area because of the financial amount in question. >> and you mention we now have permission, this could go to trial, there could be negotiations. what would be the time line, right? based on what we have now which, is okay, you can go forward, what's the time line for this actually going to trial if this dominion lawsuit does go to trial? >> well, we're close. and jason, typically when these cases are going to settle what happens is that settlement occurs before, for instance, the ceo and upper level management are put up for depositions because that obviously exposes them to a lot of griss, not the least of which like the one happening today which has the information about their internal conversations, so one might think this case would go beyond trajectory to go to trial in the next couple of months, but it's just so damaging for fox

it may be an optimistic outcome by dominion.but ultimately it will be up to a judge and later a -- a jury and a judge to decide just how much damages dominion has sustained if there's a finding of liability against fox. >> i'm assuming there could be punitive damages, and that's sometimes where those high numbers come from. you know, some of these fox anchors that we just saw basically mocking donald trump saying that his idea that somehow the election was rigged, as you say, didn't buy it. they actually thought it was insane. but on the air, that's not what they said. they seemed to just be agreeing with him and pushing his lies. listen. >> so much for those claims that voter fraud never happens. of course it happens. they knew it happened when they told us it would never happen because they're liars. >> i could see these people hand over what appeared to be white envelopes. i thought those are ballots. >> and today more reports of dead people voting from beyond the grave. amazing system we set up. >> this is disgusting, and we

but boy, those written communications that we've been seeing in the dominion case or giving dominion a fighting shot at winning their one billion -plus judgment against fox and company. >> you kind of have to read them to believe them. thank you so much for getting us started, thank you all. coming up, president biden is saying today about those unidentified object shot down by the military, general barry mccaffrey is here on the big questions that remain. and later, we'll talk to presidential historian, john lee chum, on the attempts to whitewash january 6th. why he thinks it's important to how close we came to a coup. the 11th hour just getting underway, on a busy thursday night. ♪♪ why are 93% of sleep number sleepers very satisfied with their bed? maybe it's because you can adjust your comfort and firmness on either side. your sleep number setting. to help relieve pressure points and keep you both comfortable all night. and now, save 50% on the sleep number 360 limited edition smart bed. ends monday. everything's changing so quickly. before the xfinity 10g network, we didn't have

it's >> one of the experts that has examined these crooked dominion machines.eves is conclusive proof. >> and his own words the man in control of one of the world's most powerful media empires knew all that was false at the time. the chairman of fox news admitted under oath that he had the power to stop rudy giuliani and others from pushing lies about the 2020 presidential election. in new court documents out tonight, reform rock is quoted as saying, and i'm quoting him. now i could have but i did a. the revelation is part of a billion dollar defamation lawsuit against fox news. by the dominion voting systems. i'm joined now by cnn senior legal analyst laura coats. and host of both the pivot and on with with your podcast, kara swisher is with us as well. she interviewed the ceo of dominion before the lawsuit on the issue of disinformation. laura, let me start with you. and the deposition with murdaugh, are you trying to draw a line between fox and the people on fox, he was asked for example and i'm quoting you now, but he was aware the fox interest at times thi

dominion is claiming $1.6 billion in damages.the damages are nowhere near that. we'll see if fox news is successful. when you talk to legal experts, they don't think the $1.6 billion number is reasonable, but this could really hurt fox news. on the other hand, fox news is a very, very successful company. it's a very lucrative company. it makes $1 billion a year. so it would take a lot to hurt fox news' bottom line, but it seems like andominion has a strg case here. >> it's asounding in the discovery process that we're beginning to see this peek behind the curtain over at fox. there was one earlier during the january 6th committee wen some of those texts from some of the fox anchors to mark meadows, we saw some of this same kind of material. we saw it there and seeing it again here. where there's smoke, there's fire. oliver, aden, thank you to both of you. thank you very much. >>> kamala harris says russia has committed crimes against humanity and ukraine. what does that mean for the u.s. approach to the war? i'll ask the u.s. amb

here is what fox responded to dominion's filing: dominion loads up any cherry picked statement to demonstratefox at large knew the allegations against dominion were at large. rupert murdoch is the ceo. isn't he fox at large? >> certainly he is. there are reporters at fox news say thing true. fact that its own ceo, boss said many personalities who are the most influential personalities on-air they were the ones says this is quite remarkable. i am very anxious to see how this turns out. other thing really interesting to me about all of this, just that scramble and concern from behind the scenes about how if they tell the truth they are concerned they will lose viewers to another chance ellike news max or oan. former president trump is trying to capitalize on that. you saw a comment yesterday criticizing ron desantis. isn't there a big beautiful network that wants to do well and make a fortune taking a shot at fox news seeming to get on the desantis train. a lot of direct political impact in addition to just the fact they are not telling the trut truth. >> paul ryan writes to rupert murdoch, you

but boy, those written communications that we've been seeing in the dominion case or giving dominion a fighting shot at winning their one billion -plus judgment against fox and company. >> you kind of have to read them to believe them. thank you so much for getting us started, thank you all. coming up, president biden is saying today about those unidentified object shot down by the military, general barry mccaffrey is here on the big questions that remain. and later, we'll talk to presidential historian, john lee chum, on the attempts to whitewash january 6th. why he thinks it's important to how close we came to a coup. the 11th hour just getting underway, on a busy thursday night. if you have this... consider adding this. an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan from unitedhealthcare. medicare supplement plans help by paying some of what medicare doesn't... and let you see any doctor. any specialist. anywhere in the u.s. who accepts medicare patients. so if you have this... consider adding this. call unitedhealthcare today for your free decision guide. ♪ (dog barking) we love our

she interviewed the ceo of dominion before the lawsuit on the issue of disinformation.he deposition with murdoch, he tried to draw a line between fox and the people on fox. he was asked, for example, and i'm quoting somehow if he was aware that fox endorsed this notion of a stolen election. he answered not fox, no. but maybe lou dobbs, maybe maria bartolo romo as commentators. >> i think what he was doing was giving a distinction without really a difference here. the idea these representatives of fox were speaking on behalf or knowingly representing fox is the key issue here. one of his statements, wolf, was i would have but i didn't. well, the law will answer whether he should have. remember, you can't be a conduit of false information if you know it is false or are disregarding the truth in some way. that is the actual malice standard of defamation law. of course, a 2027 news cycle, you will have some level of not getting it right the first time or some level of having a benefit of the doubt. but if you are knowingly putting out false information and instead as they a

we have this voluminous filing from dominion that appeared last nig.to convince the judge even before the trial portion, he should decide the case in their favor. i don't think there's any expectation that should happen, but they have compelled an almost encyclopedic record of what was happening in real-time, drawing on text messages and emails and other communications as well as sworn depositions in which fox stars, executives and journalists were forced to acknowledge what they thought about things under questioning from dominion's lawyers. it is a brutal portrait we have seen about the cynicism, the sense of crisis and the fear and anger generated inside fox in reaction to their audiences recoiling from the network's own call of arizona for joe ben on election night. the first of any major network to do so. geoff: what becomes clear reading through this filing is fox knowingly peddled election lies for ratings. there is a text in particular from tucker carlsen suggesting that a fox news white house correspondent should be fired for fact checking a t

who accepted the dominion software. >> the dominion machine is filled with holes as swiss cheese. >>m joined by democratic political strategist, j&j, and emily bazelon from the "new york times." this is as i put it, bananas when you look at some of what they were willing to air, and yet, as i also mentioned, there's a really high bar and wide scope of what people are allowed to mistakenly, sometimes even report. yet dominion's argument is this goes beyond that. how do you see the evidence? >> you know, journalists are often nervous about libel suits, we want there to be a high bar. we don't want to pay out damages for exploring questions, for airing debates. the standard is did fox know it was lying or did it have reckless disregard for the truth. in the context of party, here we have dominion, which claims that it was injured, that it lost a ton of business because of these lies. so this is a very particular set of facts and it looks like from the evidence we see in discovery that there is a lot of reason to see, to think that fox knew it was lying because they're telling us that th

that is in dominion's filing against fox news.ause of it, there is now page after page of material from inside the network revealing that fox senior executives and on-air talent knew that the former president's lies about the 2020 presidential election were indeed lies, and then knowing this, but afraid of losing viewership, those executives and those on-air people perpetuated those same lies, lies that according to the filing even fox chairman rupert murdoch called, quote, really crazy stuff. more now from cnn's brian todd. >> reporter: immediately after joe biden's 2020 victory, fox news hosts were unabashed in promoting the false declarations that the election had been stolen from donald trump. >> electronic voting machines didn't allow people to vote, apparently, and that, whatever you think of it, the cause of it, it shakes people's faith in the system. that is an actual threat to democracy. >> i can actually tell you tonight it will be impossible to ever know the true, fair, accurate election results. >> reporter: but tonigh

>> they haven't made dominion's case weaker. it so strong? what is so damning about these, this new filing? >> well, i think you have to separate out the news value of today's filing from the legal significance of today's filing. as a news matter for all the reasons oliver was just saying, this is important stuff. from a legal perspective, it is certainly helpful to dominion's case but it is not a smoking gun. i have not seen in the deposition excerpts at least evidence that murdock believed that the specific statements in the specific broadcasts that are being sued about were endorsed by the hosts. he's speaking more generally about whether the hosts were endorsing the idea of a stolen or fraudulent election. and that is certainly helpful to dominion but doesn't get them all the way to the finish line. >> do you think, do you see any reason the case would not continue to go forward? >> oh, no. based on the hundreds and hundreds of pages that have been released over the last few weeks on the summary judgment briefing i would be

. >>> plus, breaking news in the dominion voting systems lawsuit against fox news, including our first look at some of the sworn testimony from rupert murdoch on why he allowed his network to spread election lies. >>> also tonight, senator elizabeth warren is here on how we are still living with the consequences of trump's judicial choices. from an imminent decision on reproductive rights to student loan debt relief and beyond. >>> and the water crisis in mississippi has echoes of 1890 post reconstruction with jackson's overwhelmingly black population being told by white state lawmakers we know what's best for you. >>> we begin tonight with the super sized panic of the american right. post-obama backlash may have escalated the panic more than ten years ago. but then donald trump poured the freakout with gasoline. it was trump who unveiled the racism and misogyny that was always there, but threw it wide open, normi al always there, but threw it wide open, normiized racism. the post-trump age of open fascism. we saw open demonstrations of hate from whiteuse ing tiki torches to light up c

and i suppose dominion could argue that they have been damaged in all of this.ere are just so many people on the right side of the political spectrum who have has never -- may never believe dominion voting system election in the future, that they've been a part of. isn't that something they're going to be talking about? >> yeah. >> yeah. >> and, you know, when entities -- when cities, when states want to purchase voting machines, are they going to take account of the fact, and why would they need take account of the fact, that, you know, on a major network in america, there are repeated statements that those voting machines were fraud len fraudulent. and so that's why the revelation. and in the brief filed by dominion, that -- i mean, all of these people were saying that's not true. that this person is not to be trusted, that person who they have on again is not to be trusted. that's very damaging to fox's case. >> and, floyd, i have to ask you, because fox has been such a monumental presence in american news media for so many years. if dominion were to be ultim

and dobbs broadcasts that evening, discussing dominion.ct check the tweet, pointing out that top election infrastructure officials said that there is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was, in any way, compromised. carlson took hannity, please get her fired. seriously, what the f? i'm actually shocked. it needs to stop immediately, like tonight. it's measurably hurting the company. the stock price is down. not a joke. tucker carlson wanted to fire jacqui heinrich for telling the truth. tucker carlson knew that jacqui heinrich was telling the truth, that he believed that you should be fired for telling the truth. at fox, because they are not in the news business, and their profit depends on them staying in the lie business. the stock price is down. that's what tucker carlson cared about. tucker carlson believed the stock price has to be maintained by lying. weeks after saying, he knew it was all a lie, tucker carlson invited and even crazier liar on his show, because at that point, the guest he invit

what we have is a voluminous filing from dominion that appeared last night. what they're doing is making a motion, trying to convince the judge that even before the trial portion of the case, he should just decide the case in their favor. i don't think there's any real expectation that cld happen. but what they've done is compiled and almost enpsych l peddic record of what was happening in real time, drawing on text messages, emails and other communications, as well as sworn depositions in which fox stars and executives an off-air journalists have been forced to acknowledge what they thought abouthings under oath from dominion's lawyers. it is a brutal, brutal portrayal we have seen about the cynicism, the sense of crisis, and the fear and anger that was generated inside of fox in reaction to their audience's -- audiences recoiling of their call of arizona for joe biden on election night, the first major network to do so. what becomes clear is fox knowingly peddled election lies for ratings. there's a text from tucker carlson who is suggesting that a fox news

in response to dominion's filing, fox said, quote, dominion has mischaracterized the the record, ands' coverage is not defamatory, and protected by the first amendment. >> our thanks to jon. so let's bring in the round table. politico senior washington correspondent and playbook co-author rachel bade, abc news deputy political director averi harper, susan glasser, and katherine lucey. welcome to all of you this morning. susan, i want to pick up where jon karl left off. in your book, "the dividers request, you talked about this relationship between donald trump and fox news. what surprised you? if anything, about what's happening? >> it's shocking, martha, but maybe not surprising, the story of the trump presidency, but really significant. these were smoking gun-type emails, but the most serious media scandal, because these emails document essentially, fraud and its senior executives and hosts perpetrating a fraud on their own viewers that they knew not to be true. it is really breath-taking to see it in their own words. our reporting in the book showed fox made the right news call, t

how strong is dominion's $1.6 billion case against fox? >> wolf, i think it's strong.otects speech. we need that for the press. but there are limits. if you put on news when you know it's false or you're behaving recklessly you can be held liable. and by admitting that fox didn't just report, they endorsed, murdoch has helped dominion make its case. and it's not just $1.6 billion, wolf. that's just the lost profits and the enterprise value that's lost. that could be multiplied several times over for punitive damages. that's a possibility. >> adam kinzinger, do you as a republican who challenged all those election lies feel vindicated by murdoch's own admissions in this deposition? >> well, i guess vindicated to an extent, but i'm just even more disappointed because i know this is not going to affect the viewership of fox. a lot of these people maybe knew they were being lied to but it made them feel good. and, look, this is -- we as americans have got to sit back and say is there a limit to getting on television as an authority and making a complete and utter lie that

new revelations from that 1.6 billion dollar dominion lawsuit against fox. we'll tell you what rupert murdoch said under of about multiple fox hosts and the lies they were peddling about the 2020 election. cnn's still digging through the court documents tonight. hundreds of pages worth, so we'll have more in a moment. plus, the racist rant from the creator of the dilbert cartoon. >> so if nearly half of all blocks are not okay with white people according to this pool, not according to me, according to this poll, that's a hate group. the best advice i would give to white people is to get the away from black people. >> well, now newspapers across the country are dropping the dilbert cartoon. the creator plans to be canceled, but maybe that's just a free market or work. we'll discuss. also, does a bear do cocaine in the woods? well, this one does. why movie audiences are hooked on cocaine bare. okay, but we start with the new revelations about fox and rupert murdoch. here with me in the studio l.a. times columnist ellzey grandson, seen in the alanis and elie ho

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>> they haven't made dominions cases weaker, i can say that. >> what about dominion's case, why is itnew filing. i think >> well, i think you have to separate out the news value of today's filing from the legal significance of today's filing. as a news matter for all the reasons oliver was just saying, this is important stuff. from a >> trump has barely been on. fox used to be that whatever he wanted to go on. all of us knows this better than i. do whenever he wanted to go on, he could just dial into hannity or hannity would go interview him. other hosts would do the same and that is not the way it is now with lou dobbs even less so. they have pivoted towards ron desantis who they are encouraging and basically the entirety of news corporation is behind desantis and the candidacy at this point. that is different than saying trump is wrong, from saying the wrong things. i don't think, and mueller can speak to this better than i. can i don't think that they are likely to start doing that because they are still in this litigation. i think they are concerned about anything that they say pu

january 6th, fox broadcast lies from donald trump's lawyers rudy giuliani and sidney powell that dominion voting machines in several states were being manipulated by shadowy foreign entities, even hinting dead venezuelan dictator hugo chavez played a role. >> we use largely a venezuelan voting machine, in essence, to count our vote. if we let this happen, we're gonna become venezuelan. >> what can you tell us about the interest on the other side of this dominion software? >> well, obviously they have invested in it for their own reasons and are using it to commit this fraud to steal votes. >> reporter: dominion is now suing fox news for defamation, and their court filings reveal top fox hosts like tucker carlson and laura ingraham privately trashed the trump team. "sidney powell is lying, by the way," carlson wrote to ingraham. "it's insane." ingraham responded, "sidney is a complete nut. no one will work with her. ditto with rudy." "it's unbelievably offensive. our viewers are good people, and they believe it." sean hannity saying, "i did not believe it for one second," but in his deposi

so really, just striking revelations from this dominion filing.you normally would not see in an actual news network. these things would normally result in investigations, internally, disciplinary action, but at fox, it was coming from the highest-ranking executives. >> and it seems that the discipline was meted out to the people who pushed the truth. there were staffers and, you know, talent who were punished for pushing back on the election lies. what have we learned about that? >> that's the shocking thing here, right? so people have asked me, you know, has there been any disciplinary measures against the people who were allowing this lying to happen on fox's air? and it seems that the hoopposit was happening. the liars haven't been punished. they're still on prime-time at fox. they're holding high-ranking positions like being ceo of fox news. the people who were seemingly punished were the people trying to tell the truth. in this filing, it's revealed that bill salomon, the knox news d.c. bureau dhchief, murdoch suggested that he should be fire

i posted on my website, the dominion motion for summary judgment.t but this is what they 'saying to one another. how do you get around that? how is that not a turn off to the base? the base doesn't know about it. what do we have, they probably won't know it happened. they won't talk about -- they haven't at all. and there's an outlet called ground news, which shows you what's missing from the left and right. in line with me saying you have to read it all if you want to be on top of the news. what else came in? no one. fortunately the majority of the viewers are happy in the echo chamber. i find it hard to believe that people didn't know they were being lied to. okay. maybe they did know. maybe they did know. this is another manifestation of tribalism when we look past the deficiencies of candidates running our party label, because as bad as they may not be they're not as bad as the opponent. one more if i have time for it. i think i do. social media is the biggest surge -- it is, absolutely. unless it's reined in, youth suicide will continue to grow

tell me about that. >> let's put it mildly. >> companies called dominion voting, dominion came under fire after allegations that their machines caused thousands of votes in one michigan county to be switched from donald trump to joe biden. >> look andrew, i know you've been tracking this for really long time. so, did anything surprise you? ? i mean, is there anything that you read that actually surprised you about what's really going on behind the scenes? >> no. i mean, the thing, obviously, i have to say that to a degree because i'm so steeped in it. i think the one thing that was a big takeaway was the scale. this was industrial scale. and i think the clearest example of that was where rupert murdoch instructs fox news's ceo to sort of shift gears a little bit, because of this dominion coverage, he found it not super helpful politically. and to really focus more on winning the senate race in georgia, do their very best to help out in georgia. and it was the casualness to it, right? that, to me, was a big take away. it didn't seem out of the ordinary at all to be counting getting th

fox news denies dominion's claims in the lawsuit and says it's proud of its 2020 election coverage. fox says these new court filings contain cherry-picked quotes that lack context. in a statement, fox accused dominion of generating, quote, noise and confusion and says the core of this case remains freedom of speech and freedom of the press. anderson in. >> bryan todd, appreciate it. extraordinary. joining us nowow is marianne francs. she teaches law at the university of miami with folks on the first and second amendments. given the communications from fox news personalities privately dismissing the president's claims and promoting them on the air and dominion's repeat e-mails over weeks or months to executives and on-air talent and producers, informing them what they were saying was not true, does he do minion's case, to you, meet the legal standard of actual malice? >> it certainly seems really compelling. what these documents show, when we're looking for evidence of actual malice, which in regular person terms is really just knowing or having strong doubts about whether something

dominion is spoiled to get foxes misconduct revealed. consultant. i don't doubt that, but the word for consumer for me and you is truth. the supreme court has made clear, there is some value in reporters getting it wrong in a fast-moving news cycle et cetera. there is zero value, social value for any of us in knowing lies. that is what they are accused of doing with unusually strong proof. they're looking at a genuine verdict or settlement and a huge reputation will hit. >> well, we will be watching this closely. >> and i say something very quickly? i just got to say, i'm not certain that this lavish of can impact on the existing fox viewers, i think folks who don't watch fox will already be skeptical and cc, we told you so. i think because there is a democratic office, fox will continue to be fine once this is said and done. >> okay, we shall see. harry and michael, good to see both, thank you. nikki haley, going on the offense right after entering the race for president. the race for president. >>ted hotspot data. (woman 2) you know it

i can suspect that dominion also wants to go to a trial. know what, i would rather roll the dice and have this all play out and let people see these people in court testify to this. and, you know what? in many ways we are going to get what we need. because we will get the publicity that was sort of help our name be cleared. that what fox news was spreading was all lies. it was absolutely not true. >> what if the reverse happens? it's actual malice. that is to protect people like you and me. so does the first amendment and you want to protect publishers. there's a certain amount of leeway. if it fails, that could be the court system. that could be the jury system, with the jury says i don't think you actually prove actual malice. so sometimes you have jury really just cannot explain. like the state rodney king place. it's very hard to understand how that's going to happen. i think that's -- i usually start with the presumption from believing in the jury system and looking to see how the jury got to where it is. but it is certainly kept a lot

. >> i assume that you're getting to the bottom of exactly what dominion is, who started dominion, howe manipulated if it is manipulated all, and what evidence do you have to prove this? >> the dominion -- i know there were voting irregularities. tell me about that. >> okay, fox news says that it stands by its election coverage and it's broadcast are protected by the first amendment. it is also said in a statement, dominion has mischaracterized the record, cherry-picked quotes, stripped of key context, and spilled considerable ink on facts that are irrelevant under black letter principles of defamation law. so, don, give me your reaction to these new revelations. and if dominion wins in court, big if still, but if it does, how might that affect news organizations across the board? >> yeah, you know, i think it's a pretty damning piece of evidence from a trial lawyer prospective in favor of dominion. if i'm fox news's lawyers, i have to be thinking about settling. we would hope that that would set some level of precedent. but the reality is, for the folks who are deeply -- let's be clea

part of a $1.6 billion defamation lawsuit brought by dominion voting systems against fox news and its parent company. >> we have evidence of how they flipped the votes, how it was designed to flip the votes. >> reporter: fox star tucker carlson wrote to his producer about that trump lawyer days after the election sidney powell is lying. host laura ingraham told carlson and sean hannity, sidney powell is a bit nuts. sorry, but she is. fox's powerful chairman, rupert murdoch, wrote to a top executive denouncing powell's voting machine conspiracy as really crazy stuff. the private mockery also targeted trump lawyer rudy giuliani >> there's no question about that their machines can be hacked >> reporter: fox's top rated sean hannity wrote, giuliani is acting like an insane person, while ingraham remarked, such an idiot. dominion's lawyers contend not a single fox witness testified that they believe any of the allegations about dominion are true while fox responded, there will be a lot of noise and confusion, but the core of this case remains about freedom of the press and freedom of speec