dominique schnapper in paris, welcome to hardtalk. welcome. thank you. it's a pleasure to have you on the show. i think we have to begin with the horrible, brutal murder of samuel paty on october 16th outside the school in which he taught, not very far from paris itself. he was murdered by an 18—year—old young man who is a product of the french school system himself. given your position as an adviser to the government on secularism in education, i would very much like you just to give me your immediate response when you heard the news of this terrible crime. it was absolutely horrible. it took me more than a week to recover from the shock. of course, there was this man, who was obviously a wonderful teacher and a man full of conviction and energy. and then there was the meaning of this, because all what we do in this council, the council of the wise, we're supposed to be wise, which i'm not sure i am, we explain that we have... that the teachers have to explain to young people whether they are muslims or not muslims, what are the principles and what are