domtar corporation. >> the complete opposite of that. domtar has been a very consistent company. at the cost of capital and this is also interesting, you would think that the cost of capital, the risk of the cash flows would be very high. for example, the cost of capital for the s&p industrials as a whole is about 8.1%, yet because the credit quality of domtar is strong, it actually has a slightly lower cost of capital than the s&p industrials, and they have a tremendous amount of flexibility, domtar does. this year, for example, they have about 2 billion in capital spending. they are reducing it by 200 million this year and two years ago down to 900 million so this company has an enormous amount of cash flexibility in which they can improve an important metric that i look at and that's the cash upon cash return. how much cash are they taking in in terms of real cash flow and, unfortunately, a lot of people that come on this channel don't measure free cash flow directly. don't make the property adjustment and misclassification adjustments that need to be made that we do and when