but when it comes to the legislation, don bacon and mike, the don bacon and the mike lawlor's of theng to have to raise their hand, yay or nay when it comes to cutting money to food banks in their districts coming for medicaid, it's going to make a difference. we're going to see. well, coming up, folks, velshi ahead of tomorrow's three year anniversary of russia's invasion of ukraine. ali checks back in with a young refugee he first met three years ago in poland, and who became a very special friend of his show. that's all coming up at 10 a.m. eastern on coming up at 10 a.m. eastern on msnbc. we'll be right back. aah, it's a good day to cough. oh, no! bye, bye cough. later chest congestion. hello 12 hours of relief. 12 hours?! hmmm, ok. not coughing at yoga. antiquing not coughing? not coughing at the movies?! hashtag still not coughing?! aaah. oww! mucinex dm gives you 12 hours of relief from chest congestion and any type of cough, day or night. it's not cough season. it's always comeback season. i just need to have tweaked. >> that's why. >> this celebrity housewife went to sono be

and i think what is the impact is you heard in don bacon, congressman don bacon's comments about measurehese are. >> having real. >> world impacts. >> and members. >> of. >> congress, local. >> representatives are. >> hearing a blowback about this. and. >> the impact. >> is in the loss of services. i think the real short sightedness of what trump and musk are doing, it's hard to see this now as anything other than a vanity project, because. nothing about what they're doing will have a negligible impact, or it will only have a negligible impact on federal spending. the entire federal workforce is less than 2% of the federal budget. and let's. >> say they're cutting. >> 10% right now. you're at 2/10 of a percent of the federal budget, and you're causing all of this chaos and making no impact whatsoever on addressing federal spending. so whether it's ignorance or vanity that's driving this, it's not working for the american people right now. >> yeah. beyond a park goer who wants to see the beautiful vistas that we're showing you right now, the new york times reports that, quote, some of the

on don bacon's point don't throw the baby out with the bathwater on usaid. marco rubio agrees.e has made numerous statements that he supports u.s. foreign aid, that he's going to continue to do that. but we're not going to continue to spend the money on the projects that are patently, objectively ridiculous. i think that's something that most voters would support. i do think the trump administration ultimately will and should benefit from some engagement with congress. here. they have ideas about how to move fast and to get this under control, because that's what they think their political mandate is. they're not interested in waiting around, because that's what most of the politicians do all the time. we wait, we wait, we wait, and then nothing happens. they're making things happen. congress will catch up to them. and ultimately, what's the goal? a smaller government that spends less, that spends more efficiently, and that doesn't send your tax dollars all over the world for patently ridiculous stuff, and a bureaucracy that doesn't have its boot on the throat of the american p

don bacon, this normie, old fashioned republican, like my parents were republicans, like nebraskans were upon a time is still that guy, right? he's a he's a normal conservative guy who has not flipped on, for instance, russia and dictatorships and who's the good guy and who's the bad guy. so unlike thom tillis, senator from north carolina, who got up and gave his nice speech in the senate, don bacon has gone on twitter day in and day out. not just saying putin's bad, putin's the dictator. zelensky and ukraine are democrats and a democratic democracy. he has nailed it on his president again and again and again. and god bless him. >> there you go. all right, >> there you go. all right, gentleme with powerful, easy-to-use tools power e*trade makes complex trading easier. react to fast-moving markets with dynamic charting and a futures ladder that lets you place, flatten, or reverse orders so you won't miss an opportunity. e*trade from morgan stanley. now there's blink neutral tears. it works differently than drops. blink neutral tears is a once daily supplement clinically proven to hydrate

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and even republicans are starting to notice, like nebraska representative don bacon, who said "they needore cautious. there's an old saying, measure twice, cut once. well, they are measuring once and having to cut twice." yes. let's pray they never put elon in charge of circumcisions. "oopsie. who has the gorilla glue?" over the weekend, d.o.g.e. laid off several thousand people at hhs, and at the fda, they laid off hundreds of employees who work on nutrition, food safety response, and infant formula. that is worrying. how will we feed the newborns if we don't have any formula? for that is how we grow our babies so large. we give them... the formula! d.o.g.e. also ordered the usda's national animal health laboratory network to fire 25% of their 14 employes. that is super disturbing. because 25% of 14 is 3.5. "did you hear? they fired doug, raj, anita... and half of gary. turns out, firing a bunch of people big willy-nilly style is also pissing off the people that they want to keep working. earlier this week, to protest the layoffs of 80 workers, the fda's food safety chief resigned. grea

oh, this is don bacon. no. >> this is this is. >> a this. >> is stafford at don beyer. >> don beyer. um, democrat. listen, i think democrats are in a tough position. i mean, you talked about this. they were obviously walloped in the midterms. it's not clear what democrat actual voters and citizens want, you know, do they go and defend usaid? this idea of foreign investment has been pilloried for years in the country. do they go after elon musk, somebody who's, i guess his his approval rating is, i think, right below 40%. it's sort of where biden's was as he was on his on his way out. you know, and obviously donald trump has a strategy to flood the zone to destabilize everyone from democrats to reporters to ordinary citizens. and so i'm not sure what democrats can do. there is some sense that they're kind of getting it together. you see some of that this week. hakeem jeffries, for instance, trying to sort of meddle in that new york special election to delay it. so you see some of that, but it's taking some ti

remember, yes, nebraska is red, but it has that don bacon district near omaha, a republican who won the district that kamala harris carried in the race for president. that's number one. number two, it is a red state, right? is donald trump willing to disrupt his farmer friends? is he willing to disrupt the meatpacking industry by doing this? so we want to test trump policies as we look forward. yes, mostly in swing states, but also in places that will have competitive elections and that have fascinating stories. >> i look forward to hearing so many more of them. john king, you've been so helpful tonight. thanks so much for being with

this is what congressman don bacon, who is a republican from nebraska, himself a military veteran, told me. he said i was a colonel in a one star with cq brown. he did not deserve to be fired. the military is resilient. i'm just worried about the lack of decency in class. so there's some bipartisan pushback about these efforts. but then there was also this other move as part of this trump in hegseth pete hegseth, the defense secretary, replaced these military attorneys known as jags, from the army, navy and air force, which is these are the people who are tend to make sure that the battles of what's happening on the battlefield are within the law. what is the purpose behind all these firings? >> dismantling the guardrails? i mean, i think we've seen that from the ig firings to to what you're talking about here. it's it's breaking down any potential roadblocks in the government for what trump wants to do. and let's remember, this is something that has been planned for a long time. actually, i had a source tell me that the fact that trump didn't get reelected in 2020 was, in some ways, th

and outfront now, republican congressman don bacon of nebraska. he is a member of the house armed services committee. sir, you had multiple tweets and retweets. fact checking president trump's false claims that zelenskyy is a dictator and that ukraine started this war. what is your worry about the president echoing russian propaganda? well. >> the president needs to do. >> over day and start again. he took a bad turn. i think what he said is wrong, and i. and it's a shame. i think many republicans, i'm not saying all, but many republicans know what the president said today was wrong. putin started this invasion. he is the dictator. he has killed all of his opponents. zelenskyy was rightfully elected. he is under martial law. and they have under the constitution that they can postpone their elections while under martial law. ukraine is the victim and a i would ask that our president stand on the side of freedom. the side of democracy, the side of the victim, not the invader, and and stick up for what's right. and so i, i wanted to be very strong in

i want to play one now from don bacon, who spoke on cnn just last night. >> well, the president needs a do over day and start again. he took a bad turn. i think what he said is wrong, and i and it's a shame. and i think many republicans i'm not saying all, but many republicans know what the president said today was wrong. i would ask that our president stand on the side of freedom, the side of democracy, the side of the victim, not the invader. and and stick up for what's right. yeah. >> the trouble is, megan hayes, it's not just rhetoric, it's the policy. trump is signaling he's going to end u.s. aid for ukraine. and more broadly, it seems, for europe as a whole. what are democrats doing to prevent that from happening? >> i don't know that they're doing a lot. i'm not sure that there is a lot to be done. i think that the way that you solve these things is with elections. this is another thing. elections have consequences. he was very clear about this when he met with with zelenskyy during the election. he was very clear that he was not on his side. and it's just it's a shame because

kamala harris won his district and don bacon in omaha. kamala harris won his district. i mean, but i have not seen anything to suggest that democrats have succeeded in winning over any of these republicans. >> jake, you're talking about three different individuals. we're talking about 25 to 30 different individuals who are in the toughest districts all across the country. and as you've seen, for instance, representative david valadao from california made clear he's very uncomfortable with these medicaid cuts. we've seen other republicans speak about the challenges that they have. representative malliotakis, right here in new york city has made clear she's very uncomfortable with these medicaid cuts that are being proposed because they are harmful. they will close hospitals in rural america and urban america. they will shut down nursing homes. they will hurt children, people with disabilities and seniors. >> speaking of shutdowns, the government is hurtling towards a possible federal government shutdown now less than three weeks away. three weeks away, there are likely g

states or swing states, but also in red states, remember, yes, nebraska is red, but it has that don bacon district near omaha, a republican who won the district that kamala harris carried in the race for president. that's number one. number two, it is a red state, right? is donald trump willing to disrupt his farmer friends? is he willing to disrupt the meatpacking industry by doing this? so we want to test trump policies as we look forward. yes, mostly in swing states, but also in places that will have competitive elections and that have fascinating stories. >> i look forward to hearing so many more of them. john king, you've been so helpful tonight. thanks so much for being with us. the news continues right here on cnn. >> this is cnn breaking news. >> good evening. i'm kaitlan collins in washington, a town that is still digesting. tonight, one of the most brazen suggestions ever made by a u.s. president in recent years. i was in the east room of the white house earlier this evening when president trump stood shoulder to shoulder with the israeli prime minister, benjamin netanyahu, and

remember, yes, nebraska is red, but it has that don bacon district near omaha, a republican who won the district that kamala harris carried in the race for president. that's number one. number two, it is a red state, right? is donald trump willing to disrupt his farmer friends? is he willing to disrupt the meatpacking industry by doing this? so we want to test trump policies as we look forward. yes, mostly in swing states, but also in places that will have competitive elections and that have fascinating stories. >> i look forward to hearing so many more of them. john king, you've been so helpful tonight. thanks so much for being with us. the news continues right here on cnn. >> it's wednesday, february 5th, right now on cnn. >> this morning. >> the u.s. will take over the gaza strip, will own it. >> a stunning proposal to take over the gaza strip, potentially with. >> american troops in a plan that could permanently relocate millions of palestinians, plus a major makeover. the cia offering the entire agency a buyout. just how far will the president go to reshape the nation's top agencie

don bacon from a very swingy district in nebraska before making cuts rashly, the administration should be studying and staffing to see what the consequences are. measure twice before cutting senator lisa murkowski. we all want efficiencies. there is a way to do it, and the way these people have been treated has been awful in many cases. chuck grassley, it's a tragedy for people that are getting laid off. congress can't do anything except complain about it. uh, okay. put a pin in that one. or do you want to just pick up on that one? that's actually not true. >> this is the congress is supposed to be the have primacy among the three co-equal branches of government. they hold the purse strings. um, they have the oversight authority on these sorts of things. um, this is a been a big question ever since doge. i mean, we've been asking at the dispatch. every reporter in washington has been asking these questions about, well, who who is in charge at this particular agency or department? where where is the flow of information and direction? how does it actually work? i mean, the white house co

i'll mention one in particular is don bacon. listen to this and i'll have you respond. >> well, the president needs a do over day and start again. he took a bad turn. i think what he said is wrong, and i just. and it's a shame. >> and by the way, eli, senator lindsey graham is also saying that he blames putin above all others. and so i know we're talking a lot about former presidents. >> the aggressor. he started the war. >> he is. >> indeed a thug and a dictator and a murderer. and he started the war. >> so why am i not hearing that from other republicans? >> i think republicans view vladimir putin as an enemy. and the question is, how do you contain him and how do you break his alliance with china? who is the bigger threat? how do you weaken him so that he can't empower china? russia is right now nothing but a gas station with nuclear weapons, to use john mccain's old phrase. so the question is, how do you minimize russia's ability to help china battle the united states? >> so, eli, to nir oz point combined with that is what's

to vote against a un resolution condemning russia's war against ukraine, republican congressman don bacon saying and i'm quoting here, the trump administration royally screwed up today on ukraine. the vast majority of americans stand up for independence, freedom and free markets and against the bully and invader. nikki haley, trump's former un ambassador, said america must choose a side and it should never be the side of dictators. but when asked directly if he would call putin a dictator, as he did with ukraine's zelenskyy last week, this was president trump's response. >> jorge engels zelenskyy a dictator. would you use the same words regarding putin? >> uh, i don't use those words lightly. i think that we're going to see how it all works out. >> he does not use those words lightly, but he did use them against ukraine's president, who is not a dictator and is duly elected. cnn's nick paton walsh in ukraine's capital, kyiv. uh, there is one person that is loving this. and of course, those in ukraine hating what they're seeing. what are you hearing from putin, from the kremlin? >> yeah, i

it includes representatives like brian fitzpatrick and don bacon, who both have a military backgroundmselves. and then there's senator thom tillis, who's generally an ally of president trump. take a listen to how he described this. >> whoever believes that there is any space for vladimir putin and the future of a stable globe, better go to ukraine. they better go to europe. they better invest the time to understand that this man is a cancer and the greatest threat to democracy in my lifetime. vladimir putin is a liar, a murderer and a man responsible for ordering the systematic torture, kidnaping and rape of innocent civilians. believe me. >> now, that's not exactly a consensus opinion within the party. ali. there are others, like senator jim banks and josh hawley, who are effectively siding with trump on the on this the way he's trying to handle the war in russia and ukraine. this is where the rubber ultimately is going to meet the road. this is congress. the question is not are they going to put out some tweets and statements. it's will they act? will they use their article one powe

that's don bacon's district. he's a republican. he's always on the list of vulnerable republicans.kamala harris, the vice president, the democrat, won that district. so that's one of the reasons we went to nebraska to watch how this plays out in a red state that has a very competitive district. as we watch the trump policy impact from now, not only through the first 100 days, but through the midterms. there's also a question that, john, even a lot of people who support trump's enforcement, they're are worried about economic disruption. they worry about the meatpacking industry now. they worry about the construction industry now they worry about farms. when we get to the spring and into the summer and then into the harvest season, they're not opposed to enforcement. a lot of these people, especially in this red state. but they say, what about the other part of the conversation? when are we going to have conversations about an expanded guest worker program or new visas for legal immigrants to come into the country? so it's a great conversation in a red state where the politics are pr

. >> moderate republicans david valadao and nicole malliotakis and don bacon. agenda. they all told me they're still now they're still not on board with this thing. in fact, congresswoman malliotakis. told me she is leaning no at the moment. valadao told me there's. probably around ten who are really concerned about this legislation and really, these. >> these. >> qualms center around potential cuts to medicaid, the legislation. >> the framework. >> for passing trump's agenda, directs the energy. >> and commerce. >> committee. >> which has jurisdiction over medicaid, to make. significant cuts. $880 billion cuts. at least that's what they have to find. >> lawmakers are. >> expecting a big chunk of that to cut into medicaid. that's causing a lot of concern. >> among. >> these moderates, and also will likely bleed into some of the rank and file folks who have large percentages of medicaid beneficiaries in their districts. >> absolutely. and when many of them went home, you talk about valadao and others. medicaid was the thing that they were hearing about from thei

you have someone like representative don bacon, who hails from nebraska, who said, you know, i'm all for looking at making government more efficient, but what i'm not for is just slashing and burning government without going line by line to make decisions about what potentially could be saved and what potentially should be cut. so that's where you start to see this friction. they don't want to go there publicly, but privately. they're feeling a lot of calls from people who are worried back home. >> and we'll see if they go there publicly as time goes on. if this dynamic continues. lauren fox on capitol hill, thank you. well, coming up in less than an hour, president trump will host the king of jordan at the white house. the president already setting the tone with his comments on the ceasefire in gaza redevelopment and will discuss the impact of his messaging. up next. >> welcome back. >> have i got news for you saturday at 9:00 on cnn. >> story. article. arthritis symptoms can be unpredictable. >> one day your joints hurt. >> the next sits on your skin. >> i got cosentyx. feels good

congressman don bacon also wants the chainsaw to. well, slow down. you know, look twice before cutting the tree to a stump. he says the administration has already had to backtrack, not once, but multiple times. you know what? he's right. they're pressing the undo button after firing workers who are fighting the bird flu outbreak. those who are overseeing the nation's nuclear stockpile and handling the crisis hotline at the veterans affairs department. oops. even some of the trump faithful at fox news whistling a different tune. >> he just found out he's probably going to get laid off. he's going to get dodged. and he texted me and he suggested, you know, this isn't good. i'm upset. this is really sad. and this guy is not a dei consultant. this guy is not a climate consultant. you know, this guy is a veteran. we just need to be a little bit less callous with the way we talk about dodging people. >> oh, the chainsaw is not funny. look, dodging people isn't the only issue where republicans are swaying. trump is openly elevating vladimir putin. he's putt

. >> so that was congressman don bacon saying it was tense at times in this meeting today, that all thoseepublicans that you heard from there were part of that closed door meeting. they did indicate they believe some differences were narrow, but also major questions about how exactly they will structure the first piece of this proposal that the speaker wants to move forward next week. that plan would be the overall budget blueprint that they have to adopt first in the house and have passed an identical plan, or have the both chambers have to agree on that first approach, jim, and then they have to write the details of that binding legislation that has all those issues involving energy, immigration, border security, national defense and major spending cuts, huge questions ahead about whether they can do all that with their narrow majorities. they have, particularly in the house. >> manu raju, thanks so much. our political experts. joining me now, alex thompson, i mean, the history of quickly and expeditiously, as the speaker described it there with this republican majority is not great. ho

states or swing states, but also in red states, remember, yes, nebraska is red, but it has that don bacon district near omaha, a republican who won the district that kamala harris carried in the race for president. that's number one. number two, it is a red state, right? is donald trump willing to disrupt his farmer friends? is he willing to disrupt the meatpacking industry by doing this? so we want to test trump policies as we look forward. yes, mostly in swing states, but also in places that will have competitive elections and that have fascinating stories. >> i look forward to hearing so many more of them. john king, you've been so helpful tonight. thanks so much for being with us. is cnn breaking news. >> good evening. i'm kaitlan collins in washington. a town that is still digesting. tonight, one of the most brazen suggestions ever made by a u.s. president in recent years. i was in the east room of the white house earlier this evening when president trump stood shoulder to shoulder with the israeli prime minister, benjamin netanyahu, and said all 2 million palestinians should be move

i also think of those people should be encouraged to say, don bacon for instance, do you truly believe this is an x essential fight? i do. how about this. it only takes two republicans the shutdown every agenda item, just say no until the president relents and says we won't force ukraine to pass back or we will continue to put out the money that has been appropriated. that's how you play hardball politics. they won't. that is what we have to pressure them for, through their town halls, every one of you that where ukraine flag pin that makes a difference but i have a ukraine flag on my car. everybody that sees the ukraine flag goes he is making a statement. continue to be loud and outspoken matters which i've got to tell you is a congressman that has had townhall meetings and been confronted in townhall meetings and confronted by opponents and townhall meetings, they are very uncomfortable and very effective because right now republican members of congress fear one person, donald trump. they don't fear you. when they start fearing you, i saphier politically, when they start fearing you,

i also think that those people should be encouraged to say, look, don bacon, for instance, julie believe this is an existential fight? i do. it only takes two republicans to shut down every agenda item of the house republicans. all you have to do is say no until they say we are not going to force ukraine to pay us back or we will at least continue to put all the money that is appropriated and things like that. that is how you play hardball politics. that is what we have to pressure them for. pressure them through their town halls. every one of you that where ukraine flag pin believe it or not it makes a difference. i have a pin on my car. everyone that sees ukraine flag goes okay he is making a statement. continue to be loud and unspoken matters. as a congressman -- they are very uncomfortable and very effective. because right now republican members of congress fear one person, donald trump. they do not fear you. when they start fearing you, i say that politically, when they start fearing you that is when they have a different calculus of where should i go and where should i stay. make s

i'd work with don bacon on the armed services committee.ertain investments in cybersecurity to make sure that we stay ahead of china. i'd work on shipbuilding. we're way behind china when it comes to building ships. so there are areas that, of course, we can work together on. i to let's do a manhattan project, you could call it the trump manhattan project, but have i actually used to cure disease or to improve battery storage? but instead he's chosen, honestly, joe, he's chosen to govern more, you know, with with with his base. he won. he has to he's made that choice. he's got to be willing to reach out. >> congressman, i want to go back to musk and doge and what they're doing, and in particular go to this idea, which is, look, i think it's hard to argue with the idea of putting transparency on, you know, what government does, how government spends. i think it's broadly helpful for the public to understand all of those things. the question i'd ask you, though, is not just about freezing payments or quote unquote, deleting payments, but how

congressman don bacon, republican of nebraska, saying measure once. yeah.so some would. >> say that's. >> the point, that the speed of it the crazy has gone through donald trump's executive orders and policies and named the top six actions by the administration that your team says could have a. lasting effect on. >> the united states government as we know it. >> talk to us. >> about those. >> yeah. thank you, mika. and by the way, measure twice and cut once. >> exactly. >> mika. >> this is. >> this is. >> a domestic equivalent of what you were talking about in the first segment about the new world order. so here on day 30, jim vandehei and i, for a behind the curtain column, went through day by day, executive order by executive order and looked at trump's boundary busting provocations. and what we're thinking about is like, how can we sift out the noise in the first term? everything seemed unprecedented. if everything is unprecedented, nothing is. so what really changed? what really matters? and as you look through a couple of them, one, we were just talkin

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