so, i think, you know, as it goes forward, more and more of the don berwick show.le don't like the show because that's the part where they're saying we're going to, you know, we're not going to give you this test because really, you know, the test isn't useful for you. >> and there's peer-reviewed evidence shows this test is not useful, and you say, gosh, darn it, i want the test. >> that's the change we're going to have to have. we would've needed it. >> we shouldn't kid ourselves that's necessarily going to be politically popular in all moments. >> i think it's going to be unpopular. >> of course. >> i want to thank dr. donald berwick. he said they're pushing bundled payments to the max, that's super exciting. the former administrator for the centers of medicare and medicaid services. joy reid, josh barro, dr. claudia fagin, and jacob hacker, professor at yale university. great conversation, thanks for getting up. >>> and a final thought on what i'm grateful for this thanksgiving up next. [ female announcer ] over every holiday season your mouth has been snacking

and i like the don berwick show.ople don't, because that's the part where they're saying we're not going to give you this test because really you know, the test isn't useful for you. >> and there is peer reviewed evidence that shows this test is not useful. and you say gosh darn it i want the test. >> exactly. that's the change we're going to have to have. we would have needed it even if we didn't take on a greater government share of the costs. >> we shouldn't kid ourselves that isn't going to be necessarily popular in all moments. >> oh, i think it's going to be unpopular. >> donald berwick of the don berwick show, the man who just stead on our air, they're really pushing bundled payments to the max, that's super exciting about the arkansas former administrator for the centers of medicare and medicaid services joy reid josh baro from bloomberg review that was a great conversation. >>> final thought on what i am grateful for this thanksgiving, up next. sometimes what we suffer from is bigger than we think ... like t