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still with us, don calloway, tim lyn miller. don, what should they be focusing on right now? focus on building back better. i hate to focus on this, but the reality is that we have to find somewhere to focus on our historic right to equal rights with everybody, but also trying to look at wet it feels like to have a good job, and unforgivable housing. and environmental justice in a post-covid world. and nobody knows with that looks like yet. and either party here can walk away from the crazy. crazy on one side being trump akhil-ism. and crazy on our side from trump-ism. if we're willing to walk past that, then both sides have a real opportunity to grab hold of what this country looks like in a post covid, yet fully operational area. to redefine what it looks like gather responsibly. what it looks like to maximize vaccines and -- at the same time. and what it is to see jobs of the future. i think we need to gave do a good job with inclusiveness, but we have a hard time doing that when we continue to talk about how bad of a president trump was. we know he was that, and he contin

back with us tonight, don calloway, democratic strategist and founder of the national voter protection action fund. susan del percio, msnbc political analyst and a veteran political strategist, good to see both of you. what does it say that the republican party cannot find its way to unifying and condemning trump's actions? full stop. do >> i am just amazed by how low the bar is to give praise. are we really going to elevate mike pence? listen, mike pence is going to be used for much greater things than he was when he was vice president, because he has an opportunity now to be a guy who brings us back to norms. who brings us back to respect for democracy. who brings us back for respect for respecting the idioms that have gotten us this far in a civil society. but look at how easy it was for mainstream media publications to say, mike pence is the man. we have to remember, that between november 5th and january 6th, was approximately 60 days that mike pence had an opportunity to resign, to stand up and speak out against the madness that he saw brewing within the bowels of the white house.

with us tonight don calloway, president of the voter protection fund and tim miller, and former communicationsyou gentlemen. this split, is it just inside baseball? or is this playing out in republican voters that could have a big impact in november? >> i think the split is happening inside a couple of offices. and it is inside the brains of some of the guys that work there, and that is it. i wish i could give people a valentine's day with lots of chocolates. there just isn't any efforts of that. when we work together in 2016 on that campaign, it seems like a long time ago. he won that primary with 45 vote share. 40 to 45% vote share. and all the evidence of whether the party is split or not, should just points to the candidates who are running for office right now. all of those candidates are giving total fealty to donald trump. there are candidates that are -- adam kinzinger is exercising his rights. there are people who won't speak on the record to washington post to say that they are pro trump. all of the politicians whose names are running for office, they are still sticking with him beca