tony soprano, both villain and hero, kind of paving the way for characters like don draper or walterhis series, did you have a sense that you all were breaking the mold in american tv? >> well, i was 16 when we shot the pilot. so i didn't have any perspective. it was really my first time on a film set. i mean, my knowledge of quality television was, you know, "saved by the bell" and saturday morning things. but it felt special. i think just because of the chemistry on set. but i remember even after filming the initial pilot, we weren't sure that it would ever even see the light of day because it was so different. and hbo wasn't necessarily a network -- you know, they had a couple tv shows but nothing that maybe felt like you can go the long run with a successful show the way we did. but i remember even when we were talking about, you know, premiering the show, they weren't even sure how to market it. they were like, is this a comedy? is this a drama? obviously we found our way, but i think it was just a surprise for everyone. >> i have to ask you, because when i was watching this epi