he is a feminist, a black scholar, a fan of don imus' show. that looks at how he personally sort of worked through how to react to that and why was it such a big deal. and you know how could he start reconcile being a fan of the show and also sort of with his problems with american culture. how do people, when people say things like this, in one context and not in another, why is it considered over the line, why is it considered over the line for don imus and not other aspects of culture. >> you have one other title, never touch a cook, from academic press. can you tell me about this? >> absolutely. we have published this publisher before. he is a really, really fun writer. he does cross-cultural travel memoirs and he recently wrote a book about being in norway for two ways. this is about being in italy. he and his wife lived in italy for two years, and they were introduced to the best food in the world and so they went to italy, and it's basically like is really, really funny cross-cultural misadventures of living in italy. and it's all based

teaches them to be left-brained and they hate school and when they get up in the morning it's like don imus' ranch out there. they teach home the rope animals and keep their brain right. and this left-brain stuff has got to go. kids are being killed with it. host: i think there's certainly a place for high-quality, outdoor camp experiences. guest: and in fact many of the highest quality summer programs we've seen and done research on do exactly what you're trying to describe. it's strikeing the right balance between getting kids outdoors and engaged, making sure kids have that ideal summer experience where they have opportunities to get outside. to experience things that are hands-on and have summer become a time when they can really discover themselves and really be engaged in these types of activities. so i don't think it's necessarily a choice between being in a classroom and being outdoors in fact the best of programs we found combine both those elements. host: mike on our line for ipts. caller: hello, mr. fairchild, i would like your comments if there's any area in the country taking y

my father represented don imus, he made a very infamous comment that made a lot of people very upset, reasonably so, cbs fired him for that. you know, those are questions about private institutions which are complicated. >> liz garbus up in new york who is director and producer of "shoulting fire: stories from the edge of free speech," hbo tomorrow night. thanks for your time this morning. >> thanks for having me. >> thanks for having me. plush plush ..:.

my father represented don imus. he made a very infamous comment that made a lot of people very upset. cbs fired him for that. those are questions about private institutions which are complicated. host: liz, up in new york, who is director and producer of "shouting fires," stories from the edge of free speech. thanks a lot for your time this morning. >> thanks for having me. >> your guests tomorrow include the editor in chief of