jackson: all right. let me ask you about whether or not you arasng for an extension of robinson. that's come up a couple of times, and i don't -- i don- i don't see it as an extension or whether that'beg asked for. so can you explain whether there's some sort of extension of robinson -- mr. kneedler: no. justice jackson: -- happening da mr. kneedler: no, i don't think so at all because, as i id e sleeping outside is an essential human function, and if you say someone can't sleep outside, that'--hat's sort of -- or has no place to sleep inside, that's the definition, really, of helsness. justice jackson: so you're not suggesting that people should be excused from engaging in otherwise criminal conduct? so we've heardhiexample about people stealing in order to eat. i meanth would be a situation in which someone is actively participating in what wod be otherwise criminal behavior -- if anybody did it. mr. kneedler: yes. justice jackson: and the idea, i gues ithat, well, maybe these people need to do it, and so that might be some sort of excuse. that's not what's happening in the facts here, correct? mr. kneedler: no. that's correct. one