dwayne mercer and don jacobs, one of those who received the envelopes in the first place. gentlemen, i appreciate you being here. pastor, how in the world does a church afford something like this? a lot of people are having tough times, including churches. how were you able to afford to hand out $25,000 to pay it forward? >> well, of course, it wasn't easy to do, but we wanted to do something to help the community. we have been involved so much in missions overseas and really emphasizing that type of thing. people come back give a testimony. but we were actually doing things in the community that really no one knew about and therefore no one was really inspired to carry it on and to multiply it, so we had the idea of giving money back to our church members, actually came from one of our staff members and evolved from there, why don't we put it in the offering plate and make it novel and people take money out. back on june 28th. what we're asking people to do not spend it on themselves, not giving back to the church, but also to blog about it on remarkableministry.com. >> a

don schreiber, president, ceo of wbi. and of course our guest haute host paul jacobs. you've got more than 300 million under management at this point. how are you investing in this environment? >> high-end dividend paying stocks that are great values. we're looking for values in a market that we think is pretty fully valued at 17 times earnings on the s&p. what we want to do is find those stocks -- maybe take some profits in stocks that we already have made a lot of money in this year and get a little more defensive and find the value. and one of the things we looked at recently and we have a number of them-r defense companies. because the u.s. government's a pretty good consumer right now and we think their revenue and their earnings are going to look really good going forward and those companies haven't moved. so there is some up side potential. >> you also own -- you said defense. you also own utilities because of the dividends sxurks own s ae technology. >> pharma. we like some of those areas again because they haven't moved as much as some other names in the marke