don junior is scheduled to testify tomorrow followed by eric trump and ivanka trump next week and thenself. the lawyers going out to them alleged fraud. they are hoping don junior will be as loud on the stand as he has been in some of the right- wing interviews. >> they want to throw trump in jail for 1000 years and with the death penalty. >> is like the start of the revolution. we don't like you so were gonna confiscate property. >> it is owned in an llc. that is a corporation. because i am a part of it somehow, that has to be disbanded. >> trump junior sounds horrified that the corporate ownership structure which they picked and they designed for their self- interest to house the basic legal architecture of the ownership is no longer serving his interest. this was their choice. a lot of people that own cabins don't house them in shelter. this fraud civil trial is a big threat to his business empire while he also faces three separate criminal trials. two likely caring prison time for anyone convicted on charges that he is legally presumed innocent. the washington, dc case will come fi

we're going to hear from these children, adult children, don junior, eric, who actually run the company really going to have them being grilled about how they valued certain things. whether they were being truthful, and all of this is in service of the ultimate goal, which is to determine the legal penalties because the company has already been found guilty of fraud. so fully liable. >> civilly liable for fraud. i was about to ask, we already know that they're liable for fraud so why bring them in? but it's to -- >> the penalty phase. they're trying to determine the amount of the liability that's going to be assessed against them, and also to determine whether don junior, eric, and donald trump himself will ever be able to operate or run a business in new york state. >> ivanka trump is taking the stand, but isn't she -- she's not a part of this case. >> so she had been a defendant, but after an appeals court, ruled her out of this case. so she's just here as a witness, and that may be a pretty uncomfortable thanksgiving at mar-a-lago. at this point, so there's that. >> so, or they're ma

her brothers, don junior and, eric who are defendants, are also expected to take the stand for donaldimself testifies. that happens november 6th. joining me now, brian riley, nbc justice reporter and author of sedition hunters, january 6th broke the justice system. -- and paul butler, former fellow prosecutor msnbc legal analyst. he's also a professor at georgetown school of law. gentlemen, welcome. ryan, we have judge outgrown who has given ivanka time to appeal. but what was his justification for allowing the attorney general to call her to the stand? >> there are a lot of ties to ivanka trump with the underlying business here. not like her brothers being an actual official in the business, she benefited tremendously from the sale of the trump international hotel here in d.c.. so there are a lot of times she's had, long-standing with her father, but organization and benefiting from it financially. but obviously -- given time for the appeal process. even, so we will hear testimony from both our presidents sons, donald trump jr. as well as eric trump. and then expected next monday wil

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last week the same judge found trump, his sons don junior and eric, and the trump organization had inflatedns of dollars for a decade. this isn't a criminal case, so no jail time. but trump could be forced to give up his famous new york properties like trump tower. cbs's robert costa is going to start us off tonight from outside the courthouse in manhattan. good evening, robert. >> reporter: good evening, norah. former president trump did not need to show up here today, but he decided to anyway because sources tell me for him, this was deeply personal, and he wanted to defend the company and reputation he built over decades, so intertwined with his life and with his political career. former president donald trump sat stone-faced in court this morning. the fate of his new york properties, including trump tower, and his family business at stake. new york attorney general letitia james, who brought the $250 million fraud lawsuit against trump and his adult children, sat just feet away from the former president and his son, eric. >> no matter how powerful you are, no matter how much money you t

tells you a lot here is the witness list, who's calling these witnesses, the state is calling eric, don juniorhimself, it tells you something, they don't have a story, they don't have a story to explain the books, -- reporting one thing to tax authority, reporting another thing to banks, or for bragging purposes. the documents asked the judge said in his opinion, the document, it's a document case and some of the documents had lies but they don't lie about the fact that they show that it was all fake. >> all of it. let's go back to what could potentially happen here. when you said mar-a-lago could be liquidated, people maybe like, wait, what, isn't he rich. he's already been convicted of fraud here but the total size of this, it sounds like you review, your belief, is he could have to sell his assets that he doesn't have liquid funding to pay? this >> in other words he, he cannot operate a business in the state of new york if justice -- decision so far stands. he will lose his certificate, he has foreign corporations, foreign entities, meaning out of state entities doing business, their right

this week in the new york civil trial, don junior and eric are going to testify.nd next week, trump himself and ivanka are rolling into town. what do you expect from this? >> i think it will be very interesting. one thing i would be looking for, stephanie, whether any of these witnesses chooses to invoke their fifth amendment rights against self incrimination. they can be charged criminally in a civil case, of course. anything they say in this civil case could be used against them in some other criminal case. so, sometimes, witnesses chose to invoke that right during testimony in a single case. but the tricky part for them in a civil case is that unlike a criminal case, the judge may draw an adverse inference against the witness. that is they may assume that the answer would have been unfavorable so the witness who invokes that privilege. and so, that makes it to have some consequences. but there's also some risk they don't invoke. that's something to be interesting to watch when these witnesses take the stand. >> we will be watching. brab mcquade, mark mckinnon,

allen weisselberg, don junior, donald trump, or jeff mcconney, none should be able to operate any business in the state of new york. sure, it's understandable that he would be angry. >> michael, you are at the center of today's hearing in some ways. i want to get your sponsors on the comments are made today in court by cliff robert. he is one of the representatives for darwin junior and eric trump. he said in part, quote, their major linchpin's major -- michael cohen. so when you talk about credibility, you're going to have a guy who lives to everyone, who's a convicted felon. and he is a fixture of what their cases about. what's your response to that? >> [laughter] i think cliff roberts is an idiot. first and foremost, i have now provided testimony to seven different congressional committees, to the mueller team, to the district attorney on 23 occasions, to the attorney general, and only cliff robert and donald trump, it's all part of the gop -- all they're going to do is sit there and try to discredit me to disparage me. that's the name of the trump game. look at what he did today, forge

he reportedly got frustrated yesterday and left halfway through it like it was don junior's 10th birthdayarty or something. [ laughter ] of course he left. did we actually expect him to sit there and listen to testimony day after day? the man has the attention span of a baby goldfish swimming in a bowl full of four loko. [ laughter ] and on top of everything else we have a new report from abc news that says trump shared classified information about our nuclear submarine capabilities with some random guy at mar-a-lago. apparently, he blabbed a bunch of top secret information to an australian billionaire, who then shared it with a bunch of people. including more than a dozen foreign officials, several of his employees, and a handful of journalists. he told at least 45 people. i have to say -- honestly, we owe a major debt of gratitude to kentucky fried chicken. literally the only time donald trump's mouth is not actively destroying america is when it's full of their drumstick. [ laughter and applause ] i say, thank you, kfc. this is our first week back to work after the strike. someone who

then, there's don junior and eric, who are still actually running the company to this day. both are his trustees and executive vice presidents. all three children not only have intimate knowledge of donald trump's allegedly shady business dealings, but they're also accused of actively participating in those allegedly shady dealings. it's no surprise that trump's been lashing out at judge arthur engoron and on his fail social media site. he spent the last -- any kind of accountability, running away from fines, or any kind of government oversight, legal punishment, but finally, thanks to the new york attorney letitia james, there's nowhere left for him to run, and nowhere left for him to hide. let's bring back my panel to break all this down. jordan, i'll start with you. what can we expect ivanka does take the stand? how damaging could her testimony before trump in her brothers? >> quite damaging, and i think the prospect of earthbound testimony from the entire trump family is going to make this an even spookier halloween week for them than it was going to be already. as you

the former presidenanhis three eldest children, don junior, eric, and ivanka, all set to testify in the fraud trial. now, the judge has already ruled in favor of attorney general letitia james. but that same judge has yet to decide on the punishment for the trump organization. whatever punishment is decided is likely going to determine the future of donald trump's business dealings in the state of new york. but despite all of this, despite every day he has the going on legally, despite his fight for president, everything threatening his freedom, his businesses, his political future, it is undeniable that donald trump is still a political force to be reckoned with. how do we know this? well, let's look at the facts. right now, as far as polling is concerned, he is still the runaway front one for the republican party presidential nomination. just yesterday, one of his former opponents, actually his former vice president mike pence, the guy who flashed on trump's plan to overturn the 2020 election abruptly waved the flag, dropped out of the race, and called it quits. last week, the chaotic

ken and don junior. and then ivanka came down to.l to anyone and any of these people who are facing jail time or fines or losing their law licenses. why in god's green earth with they continue to go down with the ship and now someone like rudy giuliani is so desperate. he's broken he is desperate and trump will not pay his legal de-fees for him or paid him the money he owes him. i heard that giuliani is trying to sell his world series rings to raise money to pay for his legal fees he has hit rock bottom here. jen alice thinks -- thanks jesus is going to come in and pay her legal fees she is paying for that and she started a gofundme for that. these are people who are not in great positions to try to fight this battle. why would they for donald trump at this point. he's done nothing but ruin all their lives as my colleague rick wilson at the lincoln project says. everything trump touches dies including peoples careers. >> renata let me ask you about what this means for the january six investigation. powell and chesbrough they were two

here's don junior laughing about those same accounting principles weisselberg said he knew nothing about. >> do you have any familiarity with an acronym gaap, g- afrmths a-p? >> generally accepted accounting principles, yes. >> how did you become familiar with that acronym? >> probably in accounting 101 at wharton. >> okay. what do they teach you about generally accepted accounting principles at wharton. >> i'm not an accountant, but they are generally accepted. [ laughter ] >> anything else? >> that's pretty much what i remember from accounting 101. so -- >> have you told me everything you know about gaap? >> basically. i'm sure i can come up with some creative stuff to kill time, but i'd be doing neither of us a favor in terms of educating ourselves. >> eric trump also questioned, saying he doesn't even remember talking about the financial conditions. >> i don't remember a videoconference in 2021 talking about the statement of financial condition. >> did i -- i mean, maybe you can show me something, but again, i don't think i ever signed a statement of financial condition. i don't -- i

the former president and his three eldest children, don junior, eric, and ivanka, are all set to testify in trump's civil fraud trial. the judge has already ruled in favor of the attorney general petition james, on the state's motion for summary judgment in this case. but that same judge has yet to decide on the punishment. that punishment will very well likely determine the future of the trump organization. but, despite all of the legal cases that are threatening his freedom, his business, and his political future, it's undeniable that donald trump is still somehow a political force to be reckoned with. for one, he is by far the front runner from the republican presidential nomination. and just yesterday, mike pence, his former vice president and the man who stonewalled trump's plans to overturn the 2020 election, abruptly dropped out of the race, calling it quits. last week, that chaotic marathon and search for a new speaker of the house resulted in the elevation of mike johnson, johnson, who you haven't heard of, is a little known ultraconservative consult from louisiana. he has expre

ittrump sons don junior and eric our defenders in the case.scheduled to testify wednesday and thursday revely suzanne, ivanka was earlier dismissed of the defendant. te me the justification for calling her to the stand. if her appeal fails, will ivanka be in the courtroom on friday? >> right. there was a lot of legal wrangling on this on friday. obviously, her lawyers are trying to get her out of having to travel to new york to testify. as you mentioned, the appellate court in new york has already said she is not a defendant in the case. went forward and she was dropped. the judge that just because she's not a defendant or the mean that she may not have information relevant to the case. i have to say, we are going to see what happens if she does come. she is scheduled for friday. i have a feeling there is going to be a lot of theater about her being there. i think once she gets into the courtroom there will be a lot of, i don't remember. i wasn't there for that. they think that is probably where it is going to land. she is still potentially ap

don junior, rather, on november 1st, eric, november 2nd. ivanka, scheduled november 3rd.er president on november 6th. joining me now, christa greenberg, former federal prosecutor and former deputy chief of southern district of new york's criminal division. kristie, welcome back to the show. so, is there legal justification for the new york a.g. to compel ivanka's testimony? especially since an appeals court, as you know, previously found that she should not be a defendant in this case. >> but right, so the appeals court that found that ivanka trump should not be a defendant in this case found that because the statute of limitations applied. basically, she had left the trump organization to work at the white house and that happened in around 2017. and so, given her timing there, she cannot be brought into the case. but that does not mean that she doesn't have extremely valuable information for laetitia james's case. and that is why i think ivanka trump's bid to not be called as a witness is going to fail. i mean, she was the primary contact until 2017 for the trump organiz

it seems likely that he might have liked some right wing influencers, charlie kirk, don junior, that sort of thing. the thing is, i think we're so used to, because of all the things we've experienced in the past, in terms of mass shootings, finding a manifesto. looking for a political motivation. here, it seems more reminiscent of the 2017 -- spring shooting, which is where a ex military person, who should never have had a gun, had a gun, and used it as he did. >> i want to emphasize that point, it's an important one. we saw in buffalo, a way to promise a shooting, in pittsburgh at the synagogue, and el paso at a walmart. these were all motivated by hatred, they left writings a testing to that. as far as, now it does not appear to be the case here. what it does appear to be the case though, hindsight is 2020, but i just said this to jonathan. -- dr. metzl, this looks about as crystal clear as you can get in the run up to this. there were multiple people from law enforcement, from military officials from family and psychiatrist saying, this person is not. well >> right, it's important

remember she was removed as a codefendant, but don junior and eric our -- former president trump himselfy the following monday, november 6th. this comes as the former president called out the judge presiding over the case on truth social this weekend, calling judge -- grossly incompetent, and a radical trump hater. this isn't trump's only legal battle, with many major developments bubbling up this week. attorneys for trump or flight to that gag order in the d.c. election interference case against the former president. they're accusing the special counsel of trying to silence trump. let's bring in msnbc contributor jill wine-banks. she's author of the watergate girl, and co-host of the hashtag sisters in law podcast. trump is denying any wrongdoing and that new york civil tax fraud case, along with the other cases against him. what information because his adult children provide prosecutors in that case? >> his adult children, and thank you for this question, because it's a very good one, lindsey, his adult children were part of the business. and the removal of ivanka as a defendant only h

i think don junior, eric, ivanka, and eventually donald trump himself are going to learn that lessond way. think about it. they are going to be asked about the business practices that engoron has already found were fraudulent. they can try to deflect, they can try to feign lost memory, they can deceive. if they do so and if they lie about something which is material to an issue in dispute, that's the magic language for the charge of perjury, they could be looking at a perjury charge. will new york attorney general tissue james choose to go that way if she finds false testimony? we don't know. as i said, this is really perilous terrain. >> november 6th is when we are going to hear from the former president on the stand. can he get out of that? can he plead the fifth as he has before in depositions? >> he probably cannot get out of it. it looks like judge engoron has been a strict task master. ivanka try to get out of testifying. he ruled no. she will personally appear in my courtroom. can he plead the fifth? here is the prevailing wisdom. if you waive your fifth amendment right during

it's like trump appointingunseld don junior's drinking pal to oversee mueller. trump would never get away with it, but biden is getting away with it. he hase to rig thesens bec investigations. why? because hunter's running out ru and can't pay his lawyers. tenter rackes lawyers d up $10 n in legal fees and can't pay it back. >> legal wait a second. why isn't hunter working? because we were told this yale e educated international businessman didn't need his dad to earn a living. he was making millions on his own right. sto so what's stopping hunter from working now? does it have fr work anything to with him not being allowed to sell access to daddy anymoreo ? it's almost like that's the only reason he was getting it'spaid a. because if he wasn't, he should be making it rain in the biden economy. biden. best economy in 50 years.n >> now, every time we lower expectations, we lower standards. >> and then we have to lower expectations. we call that a race to theacwerg bottom. and the one place where lowering standards is deadly is in the military and the armed servic

don junior and eric are defendants in the case.in fact, they appear on the trump defendants witness list and could be recalled when the prosecution rests and the defense presents its own. >> they could plead the fifth? >> they could. i don't expect them to. one of the reasons i don't expect them to is because we haven't seen that happen from some of the other co-defendants. we expect the former president to get on the stand. he has been clear that he expects to testify as well. >> trump has been showing up a lot. the trial has been decided. we're not deciding whether there was fraud. it has been found to be fraud on a massive level. what we are talking about is intent and how much he should pay. correct? >> correct. six remaining claims. each of the claims require proof of intent by the remaining defendants. the reason that matters and the attorney general went to trial is because the size of the remedies, whether they get the $250 million they want or get to dissolve the trump organization and its component companies depend on tha

new york attorney general leticia james sued trump, don junior and eric an their family real estate firmersistent and repeated business fraud that grocery inflated how wealthy trump really is. >> donald trump engaged in years of illegal conduct to inflate his net worth to achieve, to deceive banks and the people of the great state of new york. >> reporter: the investigation began more than four years ago after michael cohen told congress trump lied about the value of hi properties. >> it was my experience that mr. trump inflated his total assets when it served his purposes. >> reporter: the judge has already desighed the core of the case, finding clear, indisputable documentary evidence trump inflated his net worth by as much as $2.2 billion to win more favorable terms on loans and insurance. trump has denied it, calling the judge deranged and telling a campaign rally in iowa. >> it's happening for a single reason. i'm the only candidate they do not want to run against. >> reporter: but the judge's ruling said trump was living in a fantasy world, and is already threatening to rest from t

at the rate a normal author could sell their books and the rnc in 2020 by $300,000 worth of don trump juniors book i read in the "daily beast." so what is yourut solution? you have an idea about how to treat book deals. >> right now members of congress, a normal member of congress, will make $174,000 a year salary, which is a lot more than the average american. and in addition to the $174,000, they are allowed to make another 29,000, approximately in what's called outside earned income. my proposal is about if you want to write a book, you can write a book if you want, free speech. you can promote that book but reyou can't make, if you're in congress you can't make more than that $30,000 total data set asideid for outsider earned income. i don't think members of congress should be profiting so much author writing these booksa you know, a classic example bernie bernie sanders pick this guyuy s a socials and became a millionaire and he wrote a book that effectively set i'm paraphrasing but you can look at the quote is essentially someone asked h him, he said i wrote a best-selling book. you, to

this is a long list from don junior to eric trump to ivanka trump to michael cohen.troom. >> two very different things. so does the former president have to be at these proceedings, and how much longer does he play to stay there? >> reporter: no, he doesn't have to be at these proceedings. there are really two benefits for him out of this. number one, he is able to suggest to his vast millions of followers that he is taking on the trial system and the prosecutors and judges head on. he is using the mugshot from fulton county to continue to fund raise. we know that tens of millions of dollars from his leadership pac from gone to pay his expenses. the second part of this is that for donald trump, he has been fickle when it comes to who represents him on his legal teams. he has fired numerous individuals over the last year. there have been several others who have decided to walk away from him. in this case, the only way for donald trump to tornado watch how his defense team handles the judge and the prosecution is by sitting in the courtroom himself and watching them co

sets of all polls pretty quickl the national poll showed that don shumpert has a training lea over joe biden and we are alway told that rk junior take motivation, but in this being reelected that year. here is the rub. ross perot got 90 percent of th popular vote, didn't win a single state. so he didn't want a single electoral vote. rk jr. need to show which state he could win. if he can win one of those seve swing states and the other set of -- where trump is beating biden and six of the seven swin states handily, then we are talking. would if you going to be a spoiler the way perls gopro got 90 percent of the popular, zero delegates. bill clinton got to see it like a percent of the biggest of the electoral vote, sean and only 4 was yet to become two-term president ultimately. so we are keeping our eye on rk jr. an estate would pull -- it would pull, best number don shumpert had in his public career in the seven swing state of georgia, arizona, michigan wisconsin, north carolina, nevada and pennsylvania. this is relevant because our elections potentially are not decided by millions of boats across the country, they are decided