madam secretary. then she was calling him donald or don, a little diminishment there.hecked with the women in my family, my basket of deplorables. >> because they're trump supporters. >> well, they're on and off the train. my sister thought he won. my niece said, well, i'd rather have anyone than this knucklehead, but he didn't do anything to make me vote for anyone else. so, i mean, it seemed like she won, but she didn't have that captain moment where it was such a crazy meltdown. you know, you would worry about him with the nuclear codes, but on the other hand, you know, the psychologists did do their job. she got under his skin a lot, i think, and more and more as the debate went on. he just looked like he wanted to, you know, really go back to miss universe contestants. >> what did you think were the moments that she was able to do that? >> i think they were right in perceiving -- and donald trump does this a lot, has done it a lot throughout the campaign. he'll take a premise and run with it. she's like, here are some rabbit holes. would you like to go down them?