his top aide should have to testify and, indeed, over time, don mcgahn did.ice for a very press tigious d.c. circuit, dealing with operation of power matters and the most prominent opinion since she came on the court just in the last couple of months has been the one that said that former president trump does not have the power to stop his records, his public records, not his personal records, his public records at the national archive from being turned over to the january 6th committee. >> yeah, which was very recent and very important. speaking of republicans, jeff zeleny, i want to talk about one of the really surprising subplots here that people might not realize that judge jackson is related by marriage to the former republican house speaker paul ryan. and not only that, just after losing his bid for vice president, he went with her when she was being confirmed, i believe, the second time. she was being confirmed for the district court. he spoke on her behalf. listen to what happened. >> our politics may differ, but my praise for ketanji's intellect, for

this is a ruling of a former white house counsel don mcgahn. wrote this, the primary takeaway from the past 250 years of recorded american history is that presidents are not kings. one thing that will come up is who is she as a jurist? we know this is a liberal replacing a liberal. you aren't changing the ideological balance of the court but in her legal writings, legal rulings, does she bring any unique perspective to this court? >> yeah, i think she does, john. i think you heard angela mention a lot of the perspectives. first justice since justice marshall to represent criminal defendants. first justice to be a public defender. and john, that's not going to move the center of gravity on the court, but i do think it's an important perspective that perhaps over time, as joan said, over the decades, that she's likely to serve on the court, could potentially move some of the justices around her. we know, for example, that ruth bader ginsburg had an effect on chief justice rehnquist as they served together. so i think it's such an important pick,

i think involved former white house counsel don mcgahn and his obligation to testified before congress she world in favor of the congressional committee. there isn't a whole lot in for for opponents to attach themselves to. >> he says as long as the democrats stick together, he is confident like most people probably that they've got enough votes to make the confirmation happen. pam and ken. >> thank you very much, catherine. we have more reaction tonight from san jose state political science lecturer donna crane and she joins us live tonight. donna, thanks for being with us again. so, of course, next is the senate confirmation we saw that move smoothly for the last few trump appointees nominees for the court. do you expect this one to be contentious? we've already heard from mitch mcconnell and lindsey graham calling her a part of the rep radical left. what are you anticipating? >> i think this process is likely to go smoothly. i think it's possible she could even be confirmed by a let's say within about the next 6 weeks. that's a >> remarkable, but let's get down to what lindsey graha

essentially forcing don mcgahn, the former white house counsel to testify in a congressional investigation what do you think might be the most controversial of her decision information the past that may come up in this process? >> i think it's that one. i think that it is also because she wasn't conservative. when you think about the process we just went through with amy coney barrett, we had someone vetted for her conservatism to find a person that might help with overturning roe v. wade and to be loyal to a president. and someone being atdvocating a particular, we see that with nominees in the supreme court. she represents a moderate. i don't think she's widely conservative. i think she's a moderate. she started out with deep faith. it doesn't matter what the conservatives are saying. what they're going to do is object for anything that they put forward. >> i think she's achieved what she was trying to by being an inspiration, seeing her reach this level and potentially become confirmed expands the paradigm for so many young people to imagine what's possible for themselves. gloria browne

she's been involved in the ruling on the white house counsel don mcgahn.he was involved in rulings on the trump era deportation programs. she defended guantanamo prisoners as a public defender and ruled on buffer zones over abortion. some of these things will play in the confirmation hearings at the least. >> for sure. she will be asked about all of those. i think as jeff was saying, the objections are ideological and partisan. there hasn't been that much drama around this whole nomination process from the beginning because we all knew a democratic president is going to nominate a left of center jurist. that person will not change the balance of ideology on the k court. there will be be much question about whether that person will be confirmed by a democratic senate. there's a going through the motion quality of this. >> yeah. there's also going to be the attacks. >> there's going to be an obvious one. she tried to head off by addressing fraternal order of police being a supporter, her law enforcement family, a relative incarcerated and pardoned, clemency.

in 2019 knocking down the trump administration's argument the white house counsel at the time, don mcgahn cited that presidents are not kings, in her words. she also ruled recently against trump's claims of executive privilege in december, citing with the three-judge panel when he tried to stop the white house records from going to the january 6 committee. also a heavy front-runner is california supreme court justice leondra krueger, who has appeared numerous times before the supreme court, where she worked in the solicitor general's office during the obama administration. and then rounding out the lee is judge michelle childs, at the federal district court in south carolina. she's been pushed by congressman jim clyburn, of course, a top ally of president biden in the house. a lot looming. justice breyer retire until late june/early july. next term's cases are already being lined up including cases on affirmative action, also same-sex marriage. a lot looming for whoever is this pick. dana? >> that is for sure. we know that you're going to be all over this. appreciate it. >>> and back to o

a very sharp ruling against donald trump in which she said that his former white house council, don mcgahnify before congress. they are going to be able to cherry pick a bunch of stuff they don't like and they'll talk about it and it's not going to change the nature of the court, whether she's approved, since you only need 51 votes, it's very, very likely she's going to get approved but that doesn't mean that republicans are not going to mount an intense opposition. they will. >> you talk about her judicial record but assuming she's confirmed, what do you expect from a justice jackson in style and substance? >> well, i have been impressed with her manners. she is very poised. she is accessible and she will be someone who i imagine will be eager to get to know all of the justices and try to reach consensus with them. in terms of other matters of substance, of course, she is replacing justice breyer and i don't imagine that she will be terribly unlike him in terms of where she lands on decisions. and i do want to say that even as some senators will criticize her role as a public defender, th

and, in 2019 she ordered that former trump white house counsel don mcgahn comply with a congressionalpoena during the russia investigation. siding against the trump administration, she plainly wrote: "presidents are not kings." >> one thing is clear. the 120-page ruling had a purpose. geoff: it came up at her third senate appearance, this one for the d.c. court of appeals, seen as a tryout for a supreme court hearing. >> i am both humbled and very grateful to be here once again. geoff: republicans took aim at jackson's public defender clients. sen. cotton: have you ever represented a terrorist at guantanamo bay? >> about 16 years ago, when i was a federal public defender. geoff: and her identity. sen. cornyn: what role does race play, judge jackson, in the kind of judge that you have been and the kind of judge that you will be? >> i don't think that race plays a role in the kind of judge that i have been and that i would be. geoff: behind her at those hearings her husband, dr. patrick jackson, and one of their two daughters. the pair met in college and were, as she says, an unlikely m

involving donald trump in these various issues, she actually was in a position to deal with the don mcgahnve a king here. so, she has been at the center of some of these legal controversies. i would expect that republicans may be focusing on that. >> i think that she was on the district court during that time. and i think how she approached that case, how she approaches every case, she understands the stakes with -- what this takes mean to the parties in every case. and in every opinion, no matter who is being ordered, you could see her deep commitment to writing so that the parties that she as she said in her own words, and the lawyers, and the american public understand every single step of her reasoning and every single step along the way. she not only cares deeply about getting it right every time. she cares about showing her work. >> and professor marie, what we have seen of judge action in confirmation hearings indicates that it's impossible for me to imagine a situation or a question that she can't handle. >> she's a jab handedness, and again, she's good at it. because she's done it

i think involved former white house counsel don mcgahn and his obligation to testified before congress. she ruled in favor of the congressional committee but but really, as you say, there isn't a whole lot in for for opponents to attach themselves to. but are there other ways to prevent that the republicans who might be against this appointment that could prevent or delay r hold it up in any way. but probably as long as the democrats stick together. they have enough their various parliamentary maneuvers to slow things down, to demand that every single ivy died in tv cross. but as long as the 50 democrats hold together and are willing to all vote in in her favor, then the outcome would be inevitable that the concern is that maybe there's a health condition with respect to one of the democratic senators or if something comes out that somehow peels off one of the more conservative democrats like joe manchin or krysten sinema. so we've looked at her decisions in the past. nothing jumps out in terms of hot button issues but going forward if she is confirmed to the court. >> what is on the h

i think involved former white house counsel don mcgahn and his obligation to testified before congressavor of the congressional committee but but really, as you say, there isn't a whole lot in for for opponents to attach themselves to. but are there other ways to prevent that the republicans who might be against this appointment that could prevent or delay r hold it up in any way. but probably as long as the democrats stick together. they have enough their various parliamentary maneuvers to slow things down, to demand that every single ib died in tv cross. but as long as the 50 democrats hold together and are willing to all vote in in her favor, then the outcome would be inevitable that the concern is that maybe there's a health condition with respect to one of the democratic senators or if something comes out that somehow pulls off. one of the more conservative democrats like joe manchin or krysten sinema. so we've looked at her decisions in the past. nothing jumps out in terms of hot button issues but going forward if she is confirmed to the court. >> what is on the horizon that she

did send reminders for the duration of trump presidency to the white house council's office and don mcgahnhem that president trump had this obligation to preserve these documents and try to collect them and save them. there has never been a progression cushion under the presidential record act because no president has ever flouted to this extent. there are other punishments written into the legal code that are separate from this legislation that could perhaps be enforced. i am, of course, not a lawyer. but i think the big question here is what happens next? because the president has never tried to flout the law in this way, the enforcement, the punishment, whether or not the department of justice or u.s. attorney would be willing to take up that case is an open question. >> just real quick, lindsey, you mentioned some of these things could be embarrassing. one of the things that occurred to me, maybe they could be valuable. if you're going to auction something off, auction off the letter with obama, letters with kim jong-un, these are things of value. >> yeah. that's a great point. they're

something i heard from don mcgahn from small businesses my community following the hurricane was, wheres ppp for natural disasters? i agree, why don't we have loan forgiveness like we did our new ppp for small businesses impacted by these natural disasters that are increasingly more and more common? it's our responsibility to take the positive aspects of our sba covid assistance programs, making improvements were necessary to address lessons learned, and ensure that our small businesses have the support they need to recover from all disasters, whether they be related to public health or climate change. so with this comey context in mind i'm interested in learning more from you about how we can appropriately balance the needs that we've talked about a year to get more money into the hands of small businesses quickly in an emergency well understanding certainly that the prevention of fraud can require a much more deliberative and careful review? so my question, so, do you is, has the sba antennas your organization and operation examined about the tipping point is between getting money to

she ruled that don mcgahn couldn't duck a congressional subpoena, but ruled for the trump administration tossing out an environmental group lawsuit opposing the border wall. she was born in washington, grew up in miami. her mother was a school administrator, her father a school board lawyer, and an uncle was police chief. she graduated from harvard and harvard law. met her husband patrick, now a surgeon, they have two daughters. she served as a supreme court law clerk for stephen breyer, a man she's nominated to succeed. also a defense lawyer, the first supreme court justice since thur god marshall experienced at defending criminals. she would be one of the youngest on the court, but wouldn't change the makeup with 6-3 conservative super majority. senate democrats will act quickly on the nomination. no commitments so far from the three republicans that supported her last time around. one of them, lindsey graham, called her nomination a victory for the radical left. peter, kristin. >> thank you very much. on that, bring in the host of washington week on pbs, political contributor. nice to

he was constantly asking barr and others, don mcgahn, to fire mueller. they refused.ough trump's presidency, on numerous occasions he asks somebody to go beyond legal boundaries, to go beyond constitutional boundaries, to go beyond constitutional norms, and yet when they didn't do it he had the authority to do it and he did not, which i find to be fascinating. that he was constantly pushing at the edges, constantly wanting other people to do his dirty work for him, and yet -- >> that's the truth. >> -- when the time came he didn't step over the line himself time and time again. i will say the first couple -- the few years of the mueller investigation, the thing that just frightened me the most was the constitutional crisis that was going to erupt when he fired bob mueller. >> uh-huh. >> never did it. neither did anybody else. i just think when the history is written of this presidency years from now, they're going to find repeated instances where donald trump asked other people to breach constitutional norms, they refused to do it and then trump backed off. >> joe, i'

he's had a ruling that don mcgahn needed to testify before congress. experience representing every day americans from her time as a public defender. this is a monumental decision and cannot be lost how much history she is making here. there have been 115 supreme court justices. 108 have been white men. the nation will see the first black woman nominated. linsey? >> thank you, rachel. >>> now to that dangerous winter storm barreling across the country. snow, heavy rain and ice taking aim at the i-95 corridor this morning. trevor ault is in chelsea, massachusetts, with the very latest. good morning, trevor. >> reporter: good morning, linsey. yeah, we're in the thick of it right now talking about one to two inches of snow falling per hour and parts of this area could easily get a foot of snow today. you can see the impact on tyndus governor urging people to stay off the roads if they can. on top of having plows out they're trying to get salt down and they were doing that ahead of the storm because a big concern is the temperature as well. hovering right a