don lemon. >> this is cnn tonight. i am don lemon. here is our breaking news. more from bob woodward's interview with the president and this is really, really stunning. i want you to listen to what the president of the united states, who has downplayed and denied the pandemic from the beginning, listen to what he said to woodward. keep in mind, this was a while ago, right? back on april 13th. >> this thing is a killer if it gets you. if you're the wrong person, you don't have a chance. >> yes. yes, exactly. this is a scourge and -- >> it's the plague. >> okay. so why did i play that for you? why is that important? it's important because he knew. he knew the virus is a killer. a plague, right? those are his words. you heard him say it. yet, he didn't tell americans the truth, when he knew our lives depend on it. he hid the facts. lives depended on it and he hid the facts. he says i didn't ant juaniwant . come on. so what should we think tonight with this country facing three life-threatening crises? we have the pandemic. the death toll getting closer d and closer. wildfires raging in the west. over 3.3 million acres burned to a crisp in california. deadly, once-in-a-generation fires in oregon. skies turning orange and clouds raining ash. and there is also hurricane sally, already, a category 2, getting closer and closer to the coast. and stronger and stronger. taking aim at the gulf coast. it's like nothing any of us has ever -- have ever seen, before. a hurricane, wildfires, daieadl pandemic, all at the same time. and also, in the middle of a very consequential and important election. so, we have all of this. and what does this president do? how does he respond when american lives depend on him facing reality and accepting the science, the facts, the evidence? what does he do? he ignores all of it. putting his own supporters at risk, tonight. making a mockery of his own government's guidelines, holding his second crowded, indoor campaign event, in two days, against his own guidelines. against the guidelines, actually, of arizona and of phoenix. ha ha ha. no mask. really? hardly, a mask in sight. in a packed crowd. >> i think, next year, you're going to have a fantastic year. it's going to be great. we're cutting taxes, even further. and we're going to have big growth. a lot of good things are happening. >> platitudes. fantastic. going to be great. good things happening. good things are happening. they're not. can we -- can i just see the video of that crowd again, please? can we just play the video of that crowd? and this is the person who's supposed to set -- look at that. shame on the president for leading these people into the situation. but they're adults. why are they doing this? hmm? adults. who should know better. science. facts. good things are happening, he says. good things are happening? well, not with the pandemic, but you wouldn't know it from that crowd. not with the pandemic or the wildfires or the hurricane. but the president doesn't want to talk about any of that. he is willing to risk the safety of his own supporters, as i just showed you, just for the picture of a packed crowd, indoors, so he can pretend everything is back to normal. are you the mark? are you being used? hey. ha, ha, ha. really? are you willing to put your lives in danger? okay. that may be okay. fine. you want to do that. but what about other people's lives? what about the vulnerable in society, in your family, that you are going to come into contact with after you go to this? you may not want -- fine. don't do it. but think about someone, other than yourself. but to believe all of that, that the president is talking about, you'd have to forget, and what that crowd is doing, that more than 5,000 people in arizona have died of the virus. bob woodward couldn't get him to understand that real people are suffering. >> i mean, there are parts of the book you're not going to like. >> what won't i like, bob? >> well, just, you know, there is -- it's tough times. the -- the virus, as you repeatedly told me and as you've said publicly, it's derailed things. and it's -- it's a big reality in people's lives, as you know. so i will get it to you. >> you know, the market's coming back very strong. you do know that. >> yes, of course. >> did you cover that in the book? >> oh, sure. >> the markets. now, be honest with me. how many of you are in the markets? or how many of you think the supporters are in the markets, making tons of money? donald trump's new york friends certainly are. his rich buddies. tons of money. doing great. but think about it. really? does the market reflect your home life? how you are paying your bills? how you are paying your mortgage? how you are sending your kids back to school? how you are concerned about even dying in the situation? does -- does the market reflect that? the stock market? it's not a reflection of the actual economy. it's a reflection of how rich people are doing. he does not want to talk about how americans are suffering. he wants you to think everything is back to normal. well, none of this is normal. and it's going to take science, it's going to take facts and evidence, to get us out of all of this. i have something to say but i want you -- just listen to joe biden, what he has to say about that. >> hurricanes don't swerve to avoid red states or blue states. wildfires don't skip towns that voted a certain way. the impacts of climate change don't pick and choose. that's because it's not a partisan phenomenon. it's science. >> if you really think about it, think about hurricanes come the south, a lot of the south, red states. actually, affect a lot of red states. so, there you go. but he is -- he is right. it is science. but this president has no respect for the science. none. california. the governor there, gavin newsom, valiantly tried to convince him during a wildfire briefing in california, today. >> we come from a perspective, humbly, where we submit the science in and observed evidence is self-evident that climate change is real. >> listen to this exchange. >> if we ignored that science and sort of put our head in the sand and think it's all about vegetation management, we're not going to succeed to get at protecting californians. >> it'll start getting cooler. you just watch. >> i wish science agreed with you. >> well, i don't think science knows, actually. >> that was california's secretary of natural resources, bravely, speaking up for science. by the way, i'm going to talk with him, tonight. but that is just the most blatant example of this president dismissing the science when it doesn't go his way. he's not the only one. his administration, right in line with him. trump appointees at health and human services, reportedly, pushing to change weekly science reports from the cdc in the middle of a pandemic. why is that? federal health official tells cnn it was all about not contradicting the president. and then, there's michael caputo. a top spokesman for health and human services going on a rant on facebook, last night, accusing government scientists of sedition. and claiming, with absolutely no evidence, because there isn't any evidence, that a federal health agency has what he calls a resistance unit against the president. so many conspiracy -- have you ever heard, in your life, so many conspiracy theories? so many people believing junk? and there's more. longtime climate crisis skeptic appointed by the trump administration to help lead noah, that's the agency that oversees weather forecasting and climate research. and not the first time that the president has tried to take science into his own hands. as it were. remember, when he showed reporters of the map of potential path of hurricane dorian? that sharpie drawing over alabama? remember that? this is what i wanted to say to you, before i finish up here. everyone wants to get back to normal. everyone wants their kids back in school. everyone wants to be back in business. eat in restaurants. to open up. this is a key. this is common sense. if americans, if we had more buy-in from, first, the administration, then the public, people had taken it seriously, socially distance, wore masks, stop making excuses about when people said to wear a mask or not wear a mask. do what the scientists say. more buy-in, guess what? we would be like every other developed nation in this world. either, back to normal or well on our way back to normal. if only people had just abided by the rules when the scientists and the doctors said so. your kids? will be back in school. you wouldn't have to worry about them. chris is talking about the kid with the long haul. restaurants would be open. all of these things, you'd be able to do right now. but the more you fight it, the more you resist, the longer it is going to take. with americans in danger from a deadly pandemic, raging wildfires, another hurricane, this president is ignoring the science. he's ignoring the facts. i hate to sound, you know, like donnie downer, here, but it's hard to be optimistic, a lot. but i just want you to listen to what joe biden says, today, in the face of all of this. >> americans face this historic inflexion point. a time of real peril but, also, a time of extraordinary possibilities. i'm confident. i know we can do this. we will do this. this is the united states of america. we've seen the light through the dark smoke. we never gave up. always, without exception, every time, we succeed when we try. >> wildfires. a hurricane. the pandemic. americans are facing crises, everywhere you look. and the president is ignoring the science that could save us. lots to discuss. kaitlan collins, ryan lizza, next. ♪ here? 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