we are joined by don perry who's a gen list and all 3 of the book israel and the quest for permanence in london is roxanne farm and farm in who's a professor of modern middle east politics at the university of cambridge. and in berlin is a julian bond, stacy, who is the director of the middle east and north africa program. i think you were a pen council for, for on relations. hello o at the time i'd like to talk with you. if i'm age, i'm perry and telling me that there's a piece that you wrote. so i'm guessing it must be in pretty soon off to the rainy and attacks last night laying out 3 possible causes of action. and i think it'll help our discussion if i just very quickly go through them one more symbolic response against iran at taking into account the fact that iran did telegraphy attack and know is right, he lives with last to a tactical strike on the wrong, perhaps a game or an installation is forcing around to reconsider the retaliation or 3 or 3rd policies said an attempt to over hold the regions balance of power, where israel might use bunker busting bombs to curricular runs,