. >> i looked at it once or twice but i thought it was don quixote. >> reporter: not quite.ince the black lives matter movement heated up this 30-foot statue has become controversial. >> you look at that and what emotion do you get? >> disgust. >> reporter: this statue depicts sir francis drake best known for making landfall here in 1579 but he also had a history of slave trading. >> he had to be the baddest bath tub on his boat and i didn't want to make a sculptor of him. i made a sculptor of the event. >> this is all about propelling this narrative of white superiority. >> reporter: when lauren brown saw protesters on sir francis drake boulevard last week it struck her as ironic hence the petition now signed by thousands and counting to get rid of the statue. >> i would use it as scrap metal. maybe they could do something with it. >> reporter: not just the statue. in marin county sir francis drake is everywhere from the boulevard to the high school. supporters of the petition want his name gone. >> words matter and names matter. we need to make changes. >> reporter: this i

i thought it was don quixote. >> reporter: not quite. since the black lives matter issues have heated up -- >> what emotions do you get? >> disgust. >> reporter: this depicts sir cis drake, west known for making landfall here in 1579, but he history of slave trading. >> he had to be the baddest bathtub on this boat. i didn't want to make a sculpture of him. i made a sculpture of the event. >> this is about propelling this narrative of white superiority. >> reporter: when lauren brown saw protesters on sir francis drake boulevard last week, that struck her as ironic. hence the petition now signed by thousands and counting to get rid of the statue. >> i would use it as scrap metal. >> reporter: it is not just the statue. i everyhe boulevd pporrs petitnan gone. >> words matter and names matter. and we need to make changes. >> reporter: for her, this is not the first such reason battle in marin. last year she forced the dixie eyee grge floyd as a catalyst for awareness and change. >> it is like somebody threw a pebble in a stream and all of

i thought it was don quixote. >> reporter: not

. >> don quixote and sancho panza? for what? it has nothing to do with civil rights. >> and there was a lot on the walkways with the whole event unfolding over the better part of two hours. >> and the police did nothing. >> they would not take questions about what happened here last night. but they did issue a statement reading apart officers arrived and observed several hundred people vandalizing structures and statues as emergency backup did arrive and the crowd turned on police throwing objects at the officers. this was approximately 9:30 pm where they began to disperse in several different directions. there were no arrests or injuries reported. >> so the question of whether or not the police were no match for the crowd or if police made a decision to let the crowd do what it was going to do a lot of people have asked me that today. i frankly don't think that the police statement answers that question. i think you will be asked again. she says she understands the pain that comes from the statues that may exist in this park. b

they even took down a statue of miguel's amonte, who rode don quixote. figure out that one. there are not that many historians in the mob. they are also not people who actually care about "law & order." there are ways that you can get things done. they are going to do this in a peaceful way and they are going to find a different place. maybe they will replace the teddy roosevelt statue was something else. to jesse's point, why don't we add more statues and art in our country. i think that we could use that. we could make it a part of a big cultural revolution rather than a cultural and moral, which is what we are seeing right now. >> katie: i would say that the quest for racial equality has been hijacked by a group of people. if it's about racial equality, you don't vandalize the lincoln memorial. you certainly don't remove a statue of teddy roosevelt, who was the first president to invite booker t. washington to dinner at the white house with his wife and daughter. those are not the people you go after if this is really about racial equality. this is ab

>> dana: the other one that i saw was miguel cervantes, he of course wrote don quixote, it seems like to do this where you can have deliberation and come we don't have to always react to the mob, but that is not what is happening here. it also feels like there are people that are being attacked without context. without understanding. there is a lawful way to do this, but this situation is not seeming to calm down at all. >> it's not to. it's getting worse. they're coming after the teddy roosevelt statue. you can dislike anything on a artistic level. why is he so big and i'm so small, that hurts my self-esteem. i want to go to the root of the problem, these ivy league schools that have benefited from slavery. why are they going after yale? yale was founded by a slave trader. princeton, they sold slaves on campus. tear down these universities. >> dana: you may have just given them an idea. love seeing you. we have to run. thank you for joining us. i will see you on "the five." ♪ >> i'm jon scott, and for bill hemmer as arm demands for police reform to sweep the nation, nations are reeli

and this constitutional argument is a don can hoe at this -- quixote windmill argument. this is 706,000 american citizens. same time their elected leaders can be overruled by congress anti-president when it comes to local issues as we saw when president trump ordered federal law enforcement and the national guard to suppress peaceful age legitimate protests against the killing of black men and women it encounters with the police and with others. george zimmerman comes to mind. trayvon martin. this is about human rights. this is about democracy. this is about our nation being better than that. i see my colleague from maryland shaking his head. we disagree. the people of d.c. deserve not only real self-government but also full representation in the congress of the united states. are these 700,000 people less than the 500,000 people in wyoming? if we ask somebody to come to the district of columbia and work for our government, is the condition that they lose their citizenship? that they lose their full voting rights? is that the condition we put on them? if so, i respectful

and this constitutional argument is a don can hoe at this -- quixote windmill argument. this is 706,000 american citizens. same time their elected leaders can be overruled by congress anti-president when it comes to local issues as we saw when president trump ordered federal law enforcement and the national guard to suppress peaceful age legitimate protests against the killing of black men and women it encounters with the police and with others. george zimmerman comes to mind. trayvon martin. this is about human rights. this is about democracy. this is about our nation being better than that. i see my colleague from maryland shaking his head. we disagree. the people of d.c. deserve not only real self-government but also full representation in the congress of the united states. are these 700,000 people less than the 500,000 people in wyoming? if we ask somebody to come to the district of columbia and work for our government, is the condition that they lose their citizenship? that they lose their full voting rights? is that the condition we put on them? if so, i respectful

and this constitutional argument is a don can hoe at this -- quixote windmill argument. this is 706,000 american citizens. same time their elected leaders can be overruled by congress anti-president when it comes to local issues as we saw when president trump ordered federal law enforcement and the national guard to suppress peaceful age legitimate protests against the killing of black men and women it encounters with the police and with others. george zimmerman comes to mind. trayvon martin. this is about human rights. this is about democracy. this is about our nation being better than that. i see my colleague from maryland shaking his head. we disagree. the people of d.c. deserve not only real self-government but also full representation in the congress of the united states. are these 700,000 people less than the 500,000 people in wyoming? if we ask somebody to come to the district of columbia and work for our government, is the condition that they lose their citizenship? that they lose their full voting rights? is that the condition we put on them? if so, i respectful