he's a researcher with a try continental institute for social research and co editor of don shang, thanks very much for joining us this afternoon. so 1st of all, i just wanted to get your thoughts on that call by the brazilian president through the west to stop what he believes in fueling the conflicts in ukraine. would you make that? well, thanks for having me beater. well, i mean it's true. this is a position that president lula has been raising since his 1st day in office is that we need to stop this war. you remember they all have short game to brazil, like one month ago or something to ask for a mission. and he said no way, we're not going to do that, but he wants to, but it doesn't want to make war because he wants to stop the war. and of course, one of the key issues discussed with breast feeding being, was his initiative to try to create a sort of a group of b, like a piece club to move forward with a piece negotiations in ukraine. well, obviously it was quite a pipe visits when it comes after he met with us present. joe biden. back in february, i do think that he's called to, to