she didn't have don valentine helping her out from the beginning. her startup story is not i was in a garage but i was at my kitchen table. gender definitely is a part of this story. she was a double outsider. yes as a woman that she was selling software at a time no one knew what software was. people seriously asked bob taylor from the dod how much does the software way? they had no idea. larry ellison tells the story to get venture capital for oracle. actually oracle has several cofounders. [laughter] larry tells the story basically being shown the door since the word software came out of his mouth and have the secretary check his bag to make sure he had installed a copy of business week on his way out. it was a shady operation so because she is operating in this world of the unknown product and a woman she loves to tell the story people thought she was selling lingerie. [laughter] she bootstrapped her way up. that is an incredible story because that is part of the way things happen in silicon valley and what i wanted to tell. >> of course there a

she didn't have don valentine helping from the beginning. her startup story is not i was in a garage but i was at my kitchen table and gender is part of the story, the way i talk about sandy, she was a double outsider, she was a woman but as big a deal, she was selling software at a time when no one knew what software was. people seriously asked bob taylor how much does the software way? people had no idea. larry ellison tells the story about getting venture capital for oracle. and oracle had several cofounders. basically being shown the door as soon as the word software came out and secretaries check it back, incredibly shady operations, operating in this world, because she is a woman, they were selling lingerie. >> she bootstrapped her way up. that is part of the way things happen in silicon valley. >> the story extends forward. there have been reasons to look at how women are leading and have opportunities, do you see that along the way that you tell about being mistaken for a booth babe? >> not for sandy. things that were part of the cul