. >> we'll talk about daw don wel. they were pushed to do something like this and it created an awkward situation at times for folks like you more than happy to speak out about it what you thought needed the change. >> of course now i'm in the tv, now i'm a tv -- now i'm an analyst. i'm not a driver anymore so i role had to take my driver hat off. because the driver fraternity, we don't want anybody to tell us what to do. we don't anybody to tell me i got to wear gloves or i got to wear a full face helmet or a hans device. if i'm not comfortable wearing any of this garb i shouldn't wear it. if you don't make these guys, if you don't make it mandatory they won't do it. so nascar was struggling with that because they never mandated that. safety equipment before. and i was on it. i wanted that hans device because i saw what it would do. and that was one of those things i really pushed hard for and i got. i mean mike hilton and bill france got really upset with me at times but i was determined. i wasn't the only one. liste