. >> the last time we talked, we were talking about don cornelius, whitney houston and deck clark.hat you heard the news, what went through your mind. >> this is the teenager, though he's not supposed to go and that is -- and that is surprising. we have seen this deteriorate over the years and that is tough to watch. and where's gone to glory. >> we have talked about some things, buddy houston, madonna, prince, some of the things he introduced to the world. what sort of impact and legacy will he leave? >> he was a star maker. to be on american bandstand. you didn't need anything else. that was it, you know, and he had that legacy. for me, being in thero and television as he was and both, you know, he paveed the way. for me, you know, i felt without dick clark, there was no don cornelius or donnie sympton, you know, and i am forever indebted to this man and that is just for music television. of course, you had the 20,000 pyramid. >> right. >> and everyone had new year's eve with this man. if you talk about the business side of it, you know, this conglomerate hydrated, an amazing --