i was there with pat o'brien and don winslow. bridge, you're on the you indicated that some of the personnel participated in use of the simulator. is that correct? >> that is correct. >> who was given instruction on how to use the simulator? >> certain conditions, ocean conditions are programmed in that exert forces on a simulated picture of the rig, and try to force it off location, and use the data to try to keep their with in a watch circle. >> was the captain participating in this exercise? >> i do not recall that he participated in that. i believe it was another of the marine croup would -- marine crew to would photograph the conditions and start the simulation. anyone could work withhe simulator. >> was the captain observing what was going on? >> the captain was observing everything that was going on on the bridge. i was not watching him the entire time, nor was i talking to him the whole time. i know that he was not standing there right next to me or pat when we were using the simulator. >> do you recall which members of y

i was there with pat o'brien and don winslow. bridge, you're on the you indicated that some of the personnel participated in use of the simulator. is that correct? >> that is correct. >> who was given instruction on how to use the simulator? >> certain conditions, ocean conditions are programmed in that exert forces on a simulated picture of the rig, and try to force it off location, and use the data to try to keep their with in a watch circle. >> was the captain participating in this exercise? >> i do not recall that he participated in that. i believe it was another of the marine croup would -- marine crew to would photograph the conditions and start the simulation. anyone could work with the simulator. >> was the captain observing what was going on? >> the captain was observing everything that was going on on the bridge. i was not watching him the entire time, nor was i talking to him the whole time. i know that he was not standing there right next to me or pat when we were using the simulator. >> do you recall which members of

>> me and don winslow got in. >> can you estimate, or if you do know, how many people were actually inifeboat? >> i don't know. >> okay. who was in charge of the lifeboat. >> in charge was one of the guys off the bridge. i really can't even remember his name. >> that's fine, that's fine. >> was it orderly? was there a lot of discussion? what was going on inside the lifebo lifeboat. it's a really confined space. can you describe that environment for us? >> when i got there, once we hit the water and got unhooked, to me it was just normal. wasn't nobody panicking, hollering or crying, anything like that. they wanted to get away from the rig. >> okay. and have you ever rid an lifeboat down before from the upper station down to the water? >> not a lifeboat. fast rescue boat, but not at lifeboat. >> all right. do you know who made the determination to go ahead and lower the boat? was there someone in the boat that said hey, let's get away from here or any taxing like that? >> i don't know. when i got there, they was ready to go and i said let me in. >> i'm with you. i'm with you. i was wond

me and don winslow got an -- in. >> can you estimate how many people were actually in the lifeboat? >> i don't know. >> who was in charge? >> in charge was one of the guys off of the bridge. i can't remember his name. >> was it orderly, was there a lot of discussion? what was going on inside of a life boat? describe that environment for us. >> inside the lifeboat, when i got there, as soon as i got in, they were launching the boat. once we hit the water and we got unlocked, it was just normal. and the the circumstances, nobody was panicking, hollering, crying. they just wanted to get away from the rig. >> have you ever written a life boat down before from the upper station down to the water? >> not a lifeboat, a fast rescue boat, but not a life boat. >> do you know who made the determination to go ahead and lower the boat? was somebody that said, let's get away from here? >> i don't know. when i got there, they were ready to go. i told them to let me in. [laughter] >> i am with you. is there someone other than him saying let's go? >> i don't know. >> when it got to the water, were t

in the time before that, the only thing that i recall don winslow saying was that he wanted to have a meeting -- set up a meeting ariwith rig leadership sometime during the visit. that was the meeting that was set up for roughly 7:00. >> thank you so much. one last question -- i am sorry. two questions. do you know a lady by the name of rachel clingman. >> i do not know her. >> she is a lawyer for tr ansocean, and she was out before the house judiciary question on -- the house judiciary committee on may 27. >> he has already indicated that he did not know her. >> i am just went to ask a question. ok, fine. did you know that -- >> hold on. an objection has been raised. >> i know rachel. she is a lawyer who testified in washington. what he wants to do is read something she may have said before a panel in washington to this witness. >> you do not know what he is coy to ask. is this a direct question? >> it is. >> did mr. sims know that rachel clingman, under oath before the house judiciary committee, said that the transaoscean executives or on board to give a safety award? >> you can ans