now, a new novel, "the cartel" by don winslow offers some insight into both sides of the war on drugs-- the narco- traffickers as well as law enforcement. jeffrey brown talked with winslow recently. >> brown: don winslow, welcome to you. >> thank you. >> brown: you have been writing about the violence in mexico and along the border for a long time, now. why? why compelled to sort of be in the news this way? >> you know, i live along the border about 40 miles. so we live in a border culture. mexico is very real to us. we have people going back and forth all the time. i also think it's one of the most important crime stories in the world today. i'm a crime writer, so i want to be writing about the most important things. >> brown: and a continuing story. even this week, we get news of the escape of el chapo. >> el chapo guzman, exactly. yeah, you know, i have been writing this book. "the cartel" is a continuation of a book i did about ten years ago and follows the war on drugs for about 45 years. so i have been following el chapo for 15 years and this past weekend's news felt like it cam

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don winslow author written about mexico's cartel. >> there is intimidation factor with these guards andlevel officials where he has killed or had, you know principal on guards killed. can he threaten their families. >> this is not el chopoa he is first escape. he broke out another americans con prison in 20201 on the run for 13 years in new york, brian web cbs-3, "eyewitness news". >>> republican presidential candidate done ametropi p very out spoke ben mexico lately and responded to the escape with several fiery tweet writing, quote mexico's biggest drug lord escapes from jail. unbelievable corruption and usa is paying the price. i told you so. he also added the us will invite el chapo mexican drug lord who escaped prison, to become u.s. citizen because our leaders can't say no. >> a new miss usa is crouds. >> miss oklahoma. >> olivia jordan from oak home a.m. is this year's miss usa. she beat out 50 women from each us state and the district of columbia a the pageant has been largely overshadowed by controversy surrounding it partial owner presidential candidate donald trump. nbc, uni

is don winslow. his most recent book is called "the cartel." i'm pleased to have both here. this inevitable that he would get out of prison? >> i think so. let's back up a little bit and see who this man is. a billionaire businessman. ruthless. intelligent. he is organized. hate cannot run his business as well from prison. this is the second time he has god out -- got out. the man number two on the list behind osama bin laden. i think it was inevitable. charlie: does it say something about him and mexico? don: absolutely. let's take a look at this escape. a mile-long tunnel. the construction crew and the maxim security prison. we are supposed to believe he didn't have health from the outside or inside -- help from the outside or inside? that is inconceivable. who were these people? nobody knew a tunnel was being down for a mile-long? chapo has the power and intimidation. he has organization to do something like this and to corrupt the police and government. charlie: patrick, give me your take on this. when you read about this, what did you think? patrick: i don't know if it

don winslow, phil jordan thank you very much. >>> that does it for me. john berman in for jake tapper. "the lead" starts right now. \s >>> president obama with a hard sell on iran in the hard-hit on bill cosby. i'm john berman. this is "the lead." >>> the world lead -- rpg have caused it a dangerous and death sentence for israel. today president obama addressed his critics and the nation saying he has this iran deal or you can have war. his most surprising language though came on bill cosby, reacting to the allegations against the comedian here how the president defines rape. >>> the politics lead -- donald trump says he's so freaking rich he almost broke the federal election commission. the current front-runner in the republican race releases his financial statements and warns this report was not designed for a man of his massive wealth. >>> welcome to "the lead." i'm john berman. >>> without this nuclear deal we risk more war. that from president obama, putting that ultimatum directly on the doorstep of congress as he tries to sell the historic nuclear

is don winslow.he author of several book on mexico's drug wars his , most recent book is called "the cartel." i'm pleased to have both here. my first question was this inevitable that he would get out of prison? >> i think so. let's back up a little bit and take a look at who this man is. he is a billionaire businessman. ruthless. intelligent. he is organized. and, he cannot run his business as well from prison. so job number one for him is to get out. and again, this is the second time he has got out. the man number two on the list behind osama bin laden. he has now escaped not once but twice from a maximum security prison. and so i think it was inevitable. charlie: does it say something about him and mexico? don: absolutely. let's take a look at this escape. a mile-long tunnel. doug by a construction crew into a maximum security prison. and we are supposed to believe he didn't have help from the outside or inside? that is inconceivable. who were these people? did nobody notice a tunnel was being bu

. >> don winslow can you see hublg these areas could feel the pinch. winslow said in recent weeks there were more than 100 drug-related killings in and around tijuana, and those most likely involved the sinaloa cartel. they may push even harder for this area. it may get ugly in the future weeks. >>> joining us is tom fuentes and evan perez. tom, this escape plan is very elaborate. tell us what it entailed really when you think about how sophisticated that tunnel was, for example. >> first of all t. required the blueprint of the print so when they tunneled and came up they would come up next to his cell on in his cell. also it entailed having a full construction company. this is a professional construction company, specializing in building tunnels, which he has many companies that he as tunneled under the mexican/u.s. border many times, been caught many times. that's their primary way. he brought a professional engineering company down there to do the actual construction. >> has mexico asked the u.s. for help? >> they have asked the u.s. justice departm

. >>> we have with us best selling author don winslow to talk about this.el" is based on joaquin guzman. he has researched el chapo for a couple of years. >> thanks for having me. >> you have serious questions about him escaping through this really advanced, sophisticated tunnel. you say this is about saving face. why? >> well i do have serious doubts he went through that tunnel. he might have. he might not have. let's remember this is not mr. guzman's first escape. it is his second. he escaped from a maximum security prison in 2001. at that time the story was, he went out hidden in a laundry cart. we found out years later, he didn't go out in a laundry cart. he went out the front gate and in july in a vehicle or helicopter. if the past is prologue this tunnel cob a diversion or face-saving device. he made this daring escape. we didn't let him out. this wasn't an escape. this was a departure. >> is that worth all that work and time and money for just saving face? >> it sure could be absolutely. the first time he got out of prison it cost him a $2.5 million

. >> don winslow arthur written extensively about mexico cartel. >> there is intimidation factor withrds and middle level officials where he has killed, he can threaten their families. >> this is not el chopo first escape. broke out of another mexican prison in 2001, on the run for 13 years. brian web cbs-3, "eyewitness news". >>> now, donald trump is using guzman's escape to say i told you so. in a tweet the republicans presidential candidate pointed to the reputed drug lord's break out as reminder of problems he was referring to. when trump announce his candidacy last month he said many mexican migrants bring drug and crime to the u.s. >> donald trump owner of miss usa, crowned the new winner. olivia jordan of oklahoma took the title. she beat out 50 women from every state and the district of columbia. controversy over donald trump heist clouded the pageant after he made comment slamming mexican immigrants. nbc and uni vision subsequently dropped the pageant. many performers including flow rider and natalie la rose were also absent from last night's broadcast. >>> 6:21 right now com

joining me now to discusses this, don winslow, author of the cartels. i was reading this op-ed that you wrote. he's escaped before, concealing himself in a laundry basket. he was recaptured last year and then locked up in that prison that was supposed to be immune to bribes. an apparently did little to accommodate the usually powerful cartel inmate. so first if you would sort of set the stage for us. in your view, what was life like in prison for him? was it different than the first time around whereas you said it was more like a four star hotel? >> no i very much doubt it was any different at all. this is an unprecedented event. you have a man who as you alluded to second most wanted man after osama bin laden who escapes not the once but twice from a so-called maximum security prison. he ran the prison the first time. there is little room for doubt that he probably ran this tile.it this time. you're talking about a very ruthful powerful businessman with the power and intimidation and the money to buy his way out of prison. >> and i want to read what yo