but it was not for donal trump. the seemingly spontaneou protest took place in nashville, tennessee when students walked out of their schools and protest, marching to the state capital to protest the republican governor an republican state legislature absolute refusal to do anythin to protect those students from mass murderers in thei classrooms the more people showed up toda and continue to show up tonigh in nashville, protesting republican governing interference to the mass murde of children than all of th protesters who have showed u anywhere in america to protest donald trump being prosecute for paying off a point star in ways that may have violated th law. donald trump stopped asking fo protests after no one showed u the first time he aske protesters to rise up agains the manhattan district attorney no one showed up that was two weeks ago donald trump summoned his 74 million voters from all over the country. to manhattan to protest hi arrest that he said was what happened that day. the day before donald trum sa

then they can appear not to be prejudiced against donal trump. trump calls the manhatta district attorney and the judg in this case trump haters. he calls their wives trump haters there is nothing improper abou a prosecutor or judge hating the defendant. it's happened many times they do take an oath to trea that defended fairly prosecutors and judges of th nuremberg trials hated the nazi's they were put on tria for the extermination of 6 million jews many prosecutors have hate murderers, who they have prosecuted many judges have hated rapists of children and murderers of children that have appeare before them. their oath required them t treat those defendants fairly. the prosecutors of organized crime -- joe gaudy, who donald trum models himself after, it had every right to hate john gati, but they have no right to trea him unfairly as a defendant, i know prosecutors who hated defendants it made no difference to how they did their jobs. some of those defendants wer found guilty, some of them wer found not guilty donald trump's ramblings into micr

or, run desantis and donal trump. but, they have also thrown themselves fully into this thing, they have not sai things like donald trump wil have a trial and is presumed innocent until proven guilty he may walk away and nothing will have happened they are not saying that, they talk about it legitimate prosecution. >> exactly, it really is fascinating to think the peopl who could be running against former president trump are not waiting back and saying let' see how this plays out let's think about the person who lives in the house right behind me who is president biden. the white house said we are no going to comment on an ongoing criminal investigation reminds me of the 2020 electio where former president trump had a big debacle on his hands when it came to the covid-19 pandemic he was telling people to tak clorox to treat the virus, and he had all of these really tough issues you saw that candidate biden really stepping back and letting him muddy the waters in this case, the people who would be former presiden trump

jean carroll civil rape trial against donal trump. quote, the case is ms. e. name, to pursue justice and ge her life back that was part of th opening statement from e. jean carroll's lawyer to explai while she is taking donald trump to court e. jean carroll, a writer, i now trump raped her in the dressing room of a new yor city department store in the 1990s and then defamed her whe she went public with his allegations in 2019. she, like many victims, did no reported to the police at th time but even though the statute of limitations has expired for criminal investigation and criminal charges, e. jea carroll is able to sue donal trump for the rape in civi court under a 2022 law in ne york that opened a one-yea window for adult victims o sexual offenses. today, six me and three women were selecte to the jury who heard th opening statements from both e jean carroll and zone trump' lawyers. this jury will determine whether to award damages to e. jean carroll if they find al trump liable for assaulting he and for defaming her and we will discuss what the standard i

biden's announcement video eludes to the former - with images of the capital insurrection, incited by donal trump. it's afternoon, president bide went to a labor union hall where he had a raucous reception. >> for more years. for more years for more years for more years >> thank you thank you. the threat that maga republicans pose to take us to a place that we have never been and we are the last -- look how hard we had to figh to - davis-bacon. project labor agreements health care, my god, we have t fight like hell. and folks, we made a lot o progress because all of you, there is a lot to do so let's finish the job. >> today, vice president kamal harris, who features prominently in biden's campaig announcement drove home th importance of protecting abortion rights an reproductive freedom - howard university. >> when i was sitting in thi auditorium as a freshman a howard university i was so sur that the strength of our natio would continue to be a expansion of rights, and i'm s deeply troubled and sad to stand before howard students and have the conversation we are having today [applause] >>

>> i think that what donal trump is seeking out right now he is looking at the polls a his people areand he i establishing himself as th victim and what is pitiful is that th rest of the republican nominee -- and this is how -- obviously, he did not plan t be indicted. but what he is doing right now is making sure that ever single other republican nomine stands up and supports him despite the fact that then h will turn around and reduc them into something pitiful on the debate stage so yes, that is undeniably his plan and he will do that for th coming months as he dominate the news there are press clips, every single politician gets press clips in the morning, and they want to be in those pres clips. and the only way that these ar the republican candidates ca get in press clips right now is by talking about donald trump supporting donald trump. and he is loving that. there is no doubt in my mind h is loving that >> he loves to be in the press good, bad, or otherwise. there's a few big republicans, they're not in these press clippings, though, stuar stevens. -- john thune, two top sena

tac was referencing a newl unearthed tape from 2005 where you could hear 201 presidential candidate donal trump describing his own vulgarity. >> i get to use some tic tac just in case i start kissing her. i'm automatically attracted to beautiful women, i just star kissing them, it's like magnet just kiss. i don't even wait. and when you're a star, they let you do it. you can do anything. >> by this point, you know how that statement ends. with the suggestion that it is okay to grab women by thei generals against their will. when you are a star they let you do it. a couple of days after tha tape was released, trump defended his remarks in debate against hillary clinton >> you described someone without consent, also grabbing their generals that is sexual salt. he bragged that you have sexually assaulted women do you understand that >> i didn't say that all i don't think you understood what was said. this was a locker room talk, i am not proud of it i apologized to my families an i apologize to the america people certainly i am not proud o this but this is locker room talk it is locker room

we voted to raise the debt ceiling three times when donal trump was in the white house unfortunately, my republican colleagues saying it ver different tune when there is a democrat in the white house. but despite difficulties however, i do believe we are ultimately going to raise th debt ceiling the challenge is, and frankly, the situation i fear most, is replay of the summer of 2011 when tea party republicans flirted with disaster and came so close to the deadline tha it actually led to the first ever credit downgrade in american history which ended u costing us billions of dollars and actually adding more to th national debt. that is the scenario that fear is most in play the further these republican antic continue >> one of the things i ask onp a, shall on the young, who was reporting in the washingto post today that the white hous is having conversations abou whether or not they ca unilaterally raise the deb ceiling. is that something that the white house could do, or mus it be raised by congress, an act of congress? claude >> at the end of the day, i think it has to be raised by

we used to say, take donal trump seriously.e peopl who take him literally and when he says things like death and destruction. bad things can happen. so it's important for othe people, kevin mccarthy might b trying to talk that stuff down but ultimately donald trump' voice carries more tha anything, so ultimately he i responsible for what he says and what happens >> brandon and donna, you guys are gonna stick around and b back later on this hour. >> and a programming note fo tomorrow ali velshi, the specia coverage of the indictment o former president donald trump. he will be joined by the reverend al sharpton, kati fang, simone sanders, an myself we will cover the latest developments and what might be next for the former president. watch, special coverag tomorrow night at 6 pm eastern only on msnbc. >> and, coming up after th break. defending the former president we are going to go in-depth on trump's legal team's possibl plan of attack and how a potential conflict might run a presidential campaign from prison we have more on m

he did almost all the things h pled guilty to, on behalf of for the benefit of donal trump.did not pay the money t hush up, because he was runnin for president ended when the american people to know abou the alleged affairs. michael cohen did it for donal trump, because he had sold his soul to donald trump and that's not me, that's what he said to the american people and really, streaming around the globe. so, the personal attacks on him, i have to now try to b cautious myself. i don't want to offend the judge. he's absolutely right. lawyers and people in th courtroom now that we have a jury, it's due process, donald trump is presumed innocent until proven guilty. we've got to be careful. but i am going to defend his credibility, because i know ho he has turned his life around. and ever since, he's bee substantiated and corroborated in every way possible, including the documents an emails and text messages tha we saw when we were at the prosecutor's the last fe months >> lanny, i'd love to just squeeze in a commercial brea here, if you let me, because i have a couple more qu

because that would be very very problematic for donal trump. problematic on the level of hi vice president and his lawye testifying against him like i said, bad things they happen in threes joining us now is suzanne craig, pulitzer prize-winning investigative reporter for the new york times, and catherin christian, former specia assistant da in the manhatta district attorney's office thank you both for being here. thank you for sitting with me, as i went on that extended jake, -- >> very detailed >> i think i was really struck by allen weisselberg, ha loomed in the shadows as a person of great importance here did you think it was odd tha he was so prominent in a shadowy way in that affectiv summary of alvin bragg's case? >> i didn't think it was odd it's factually accurate. he did all the things. to not include it, people wh know the facts would say where's -- >> but to not get charged? >> it's not odd. i'm not gonna speculate, he 75 he's currently in rikers island, he's getting out soon. he was convicted, he's already testified on behalf of th

people, this indictment is not trump's downfall and, fact this is when donal trump's rhetoric is that i most dangerous because we have seen this before we have seen that one checks and balances, when the world o law and even our own democracy itself stands in his way, that he threatens chaos and lawlessness or as he warne last week quote potential deat and destruction. this nation knows from experience that many of hi supporters take those words as marching orders. we say no one is above the law but through two impeachments an insurrection, irrevocable harm, irreparable harm t democracy and even more even a his own subordinates get priso time, donald trump himself has started accountability at ever turn all with the stamp of approval from the republican part apparatus. the indictment of a former president's historic but our nation living up to th principal that no one, not eve a former president, not even donald trump is above the law. now that would truly b uncharted territory. joining me now is former brooklyn prosecutor and msnb legal analyst, charles coleman former democratic cong

. >> the only person in th courthouse who looked close to tears that day was donal trump. and even the emotionall unstable donald trump manage to only cry on the inside. courthouse workers should ge used to this. if he is arrange next month in atlanta, donal trump will surely tell the lie that courthouse workers were crying. and he will say th same thing if special federa cross cuter drafts mid bring donald trump in for rain meant on the documents case and or the january 6th case. if donal trump is arraigned four times, four times in court houses around america, people working in those court houses we'll be accused of chronic by donald trump and no one will see them cry. except donald trump. an mike across and, we hits donal trump passionately, will beg donald trump to give his first television interview after his latest arraignment, to tucke carlson every time donald trum is arraigned. and tucker and donald will sit across fro each other, each time, you hav them filled with hatred, eac of them in his own way desperately trying to get th approval of tucker carlson's audien

new manhattan district attorney, the investigation into donal trump's role in the stormy daniels hush money case seemed like it was headed nowhere the investigation was prioritize, the number o people who working on it began to dwindle, while others in th da's office started referrin to it as a zombie case because it seemed dead but at some point, could come roaring back to life. fast forward to today, it is a the center of a historic prosecution of a forme president of the united states the first ever tomorrow night, donald trump i scheduled to return to new yor as he prepares to turn himself in to prosecutors in downtow manhattan. and on tuesday afternoon, he will be arraigned. facing charges for his possibl role in the scheme to keep stormy daniels from revealin their alleged 2006 affair righ before the presidentia election of 2016 trump continues to deny that h had a relationship with daniels, the exact charges that trump faces right or unknown because, for now, the objectiv remains under seal but according to two sources familiar with the matter, trum is facing around 30 charges

she is also the niece of donal today j trump. mary, my friend is always so good to see you. and i have talked a lo about accountability on tv and off the screen what accountability means. in light of friday's news of the return of the indictment against your uncle, do you think that we are finall seeing the beginning of true accountability for donald trump? >> i certainly hope so katie i think this is a long tim coming and there are a lot of peopl who have been waiting on the edge of our seats for years no to see the dam finally began t break. and i think that new york is a really good place for this t start. now, i think it is fair to say that donald will never be trul held accountable for many of his crimes including his egregious and maliciou mishandling of covid for example. but i don't think that w should diminish the potentia seriousness of what is happening in new york righ now. obviously we don't know what the charges are but we wil find out soon enough and i think that this crime or these series of alleged crimes tha donald may finally face ou foundational to every

she also was the coast of msnb podcast, prosecuting donal trump. and both join me now congresswoman, let me star with you i thought one of the thing that the committee did well, i thought, was to highligh pence's unique role, and als the fact that he was i conversations that no one else knew what do you make of today' development? >> well, i think it's probably a significant one for th department of justice, first he was there a long time, we know of personal conversations that he had with the e president, and including the morning of january 6th where w don't have the full story on what was said. by both of them. also, the night before, wher he talked to the ex president. we had the committee did get testimony from pence's top aide, that was helpful they weren't in on some of these conversations betwee pence and trump. so, i'm sure that this was, of course as you know, pence an trump declined to come to th committee and testify. so, this will be new ground, i think, for the effort to nai down what trump knew, what h said, we know what he did. >> m

on my show thi morning, both of whom use th concept that the word petrified, that they think that donalrump is finally going to be scared but you have followed him for long time. you have been in litigatio with him as well when you tend to agree tha despite the fact that he might be scared that finally he ha been didn't dated, there are very serious indictments tha are still kind of coming dow the pipeline from him, he ha no shame so i'm going to push back, tim and say that i don't think allen weisselberg do a per walk what actually becom worried. i think that man is never goin to go in the back door of that courthouse he will want to do something i the front of it. you disagree still >> well, i don't think he is going to go to the back door katie. i think his virtual front door will be a patio in mar-a-lago, or somewhere else. i don't know that he is goin to make a grandstand on th front steps of the courthouse. it could be proven wrong, but don't think his idea of bein on a public stage is where h is being called a suit and called to order. that has never occurred for hi before - the

gun violence for our children, and grandchildren, and for those yet unborn >> andrea, on tuesday, donal trump will be arraigned at the same criminal courthouse i manhattan as the central par five more than 40 years ago. trump to get a full page ad in the new york papers calling fo the death penalty in the case. mind you, they were teenager who had yet to stand trial for the rape and beating of a whit woman in central park. -- who should not have been treated in this beastly manner but they were proven innocent. trump wasted no time calling for poorer, black, and latin kids, teens i should say, to b killed by the state. here in this case, he and hi supporters are crying that h is being persecuted. the justice system supposedl being weaponized against him your thoughts? >> i think that, you know, any of us raising children kno that being held accountable, that there are consequences fo our actions, and no one like those consequences i don't know anyone that i jumping up and down when they've done something wrong allegedly -- to face what needs to be done. it's quite interesting that al of

but conflating that with donal trump's case of also the misus of government documents.nt documents because donald trump has tha right too, so in order to be consistent they're going t spread it around to everyone who seems republican to them >> yeah. i mean, its identity politic of the republican flavor projected on to the most sensitive secrets of the u.s government and nationa security first of all, let's be clear about this leaker. these documents are the highes level secrets about the most pressing issues of the day it's the war in ukraine, are sensitive relationship wit allies there's just no justificatio whatsoever for this to be in the public domain, in the fact that they are has alread caused damage. and the fact that thes republican to see this a another for forum for them t project on to this case, their sense of grievance and victimhood, it just shows yo that they cannot - history of the country but i do think that there is a broader point to be made lawrence, which is that ther is a confidence consequence to be - who did not care about the national security

katie, thanks, but donal trump's niece mary trump - from her cousin.> that is about as little a she could possibly have said i think ivanka made her choice a long time ago to go he separate way and she understands that her future does not lie with remaining connect tour father. this is either personally, publicly or politically. when we come back, we will tal about who is standing with trump and who is staying conspicuously quiet so far one prilosec otc each morning blocks heartburn all day and all night. prilosec otc reduces excess acid for 24 hours, blocking heartburn before it starts. one pill a day. 24 hours. zero heartburn. (vo) businesses nationwide are switching to verizon business internet. blocking heartburn before it starts. (woman) it's a perfect fit for my small business. (vo) verizon has business internet solutions nationwide. (man) for our not-so-small business too. (vo) get internet that keeps your business ready for anything. from verizon. why give your family just ordinary eggs when they can enjoy the best? eggland's best. the only egg

but just days after speaking to bethany, donall and ellie—jo in derry, and 25 years to the day sinces took part in an illegal republican parade, which soon turned violent, with petrol bombs being thrown at a police van. tensions are flaring up again with republican and loyalist paramilitary groups, notjust in derry. but for the young people i've been speaking to, there's still positivity, optimism and hope around their future on what the next 25 years could bring. hello there. we've started this week off on a pretty warm note. in fact, many parts of the uk saw the warmest day of the year so far on monday. however, over the next few days, those temperatures will be coming down as we pick up a chilly easterly breeze. and there could even be a bit of rain in places by the end of the week. now, high pressure dominates the scene over the next few days, sitting across scandinavia, bringing this easterly breeze. but more icy bars on the chart mean that easterly wind picks up and we'll start to see these weather fronts rolling in off the near continent, bringing outbreaks of rain, particular

but just days after speaking to bethany, donall and ellie—jo in derry, and 25 years to the day since hiding their faces took part in an illegal republican parade, which soon turned violent, with petrol bombs being thrown at a police van. tensions are flaring up again with republican and loyalist paramilitary groups, notjust in derry. but for the young people i've been speaking to, there's still positivity, optimism and hope around their future on what the next 25 years could bring. setting yesterday. we have seen a lot of code — setting yesterday. we have seen a lot of code in _ setting yesterday. we have seen a lot of code in eastern _ setting yesterday. we have seen a lot of code in eastern england - setting yesterday. we have seen a i lot of code in eastern england which has been pushing lot of code in eastern england which has been pushin— lot of code in eastern england which has been pushing westwards. a lot of code in central, _ has been pushing westwards. a lot of code in central, southern _ has been pushing westwards. a lot of code in central, southern england - code in centr

but just days after speaking to bethany, donall and ellie—jo in derry, and 25 years to the day sinceeir faces took part in an illegal republican parade, which soon turned violent, with petrol bombs being thrown at a police van. tensions are flaring up again with republican and loyalist paramilitary groups, notjust in derry. but for the young people i've been speaking to, there's still positivity, optimism and hope around their future on what the next 25 years could bring. hello. after what's been a fairly wet and cool week for a large swathe of the uk, this weekend sees a transition to something drier and warmer underneath this area of high pressure. this is the big picture, if you like, for sunday. we start to develop more of a southerly wind and that will be pushing milder air across the uk but also some moister air as well, so we're going to see a lot of cloud through sunday, also some drizzle for a time through the morning. that will tend to become confined to the coasts through the day. could see some mist and fog along some eastern coastal counties at first which will soon clea

but just days after speaking to bethany, donall and ellie—jo in derry, and 25 years to the day sinceblican parade, which soon turned violent, with petrol bombs being thrown at a police van. tensions are flaring up again with republican and loyalist paramilitary groups, notjust in derry. but for the young people i�*ve been speaking to, there�*s still positivity, optimism and hope around their future on what the next 25 years could bring. hello. after the sunshine of yesterday, it is a good deal more cloudy out there today. rather grey skies in many parts of the uk. these are the weather fronts responsible. they�*ve pushed their way into the atlantic, but they�*re drawing in southerly winds. so even with that cloud, it probably feels a little bit milder. when you get the cloud breaks, it will feel very pleasant. certainly across eastern england, some hazy sunshine around and more breaks this afternoon, northern scotland, northern ireland. there will be a few showers here and still quite damp around some western coasts and hills. but in the sunny moments, we could see highs of around 17

i expect indictments to come very soon after that it may not be just donal trump.d trump this investigation is into about 20 people that we know of including rudy giuliani, joh eastman and alike. it would not surprise me one bit to learn that donald trump is indicted in georgia as well remember, there is an audiotape, jonathan, of trump saying to georgia election officials bac during the election dispute. go find me 11,780 votes. which is not the way president of the united states testifies not the way a mob boss talks >> we are way overtime i have to ask you this yes or no. nbc news reporting yesterday that trump aide said they don' plan to rein in trump's attack on the manhattan da or the judge. they believe it benefits him could this lead to a gag order ultimately >> yes >> neal katyal, bank you for coming to the sunday show. coming, up a very special an inspiring easter message fro the chaplain of the u.s. senat and the presiding bishop for the episcopal church you don't want to miss this. (vo) businesses nationwide are switching to verizon business internet. (

he served as a house majorit counsel during the first impeachment trial of donal trump, he represents the district where donald trump' hush money case is currently being heard. also with us is andrew eisman, former fbi general counsel and former chief of the -- district of new york, he is professor of practice and ny law school and an msnbc lega analyst. congressman goldman, first, to the so-called field hearin that is going to be schedule for the javits federal building, on monday, is that open to the public, that hearing >> i don't know the answer t that i don't know whether it will b televised or open to the public i assume both. certainly the chairman is doin this purely as a political stunt and i would imagine he would like as much attention o it for that reason as possible but it is purely just that lawrence, and i think that the district attorney brags lawsui put a real cherry on the top o some of these arguments, that have also been making, which i that jim jordan is acting at the behest of donald trump, an this lawsuit will be a mechanism through which th district attorney br

but it is the core truth and it is this everywhere you look the sign point to the fact that donal trumpcredibly unpopula with persuadable voters outsid the republican base. everyone is so freaked out, so permanently scarred by 2016, that obvious truth is ofte obscured and the truth is that donald trump, listen to me now, doe not possess a magic power that turns political gravity upside down he is an unlikable figure wh lots of persuadable voters fin repulsive. now he is very very good i mean, incredible, really, generational talent path demanding and receiving lots o attention. but here's the thing right now that is the wors possible thing for the republican party because he cannot be ignored he refuses to be ignored he will do anything not to b ignored. there is a reason why the smar people in the republican party like mitch mcconnell who you can't deny has very struggle political instincts, doesn't want to talk about trump doesn't give quotes on trump directly there is a reason they deflect or go off the record when aske about his latest scandal d jour because they understand this the

already indicting donal trump. now we are waiting to see th weather the things that th voters consider more serious the georgia investigation, and then jack smith's twin investigations into both trump planning of january 6th an also his retention o classified documents potentially even showing the off to visitors and aids while federal agencies were trying t recover them >> eddie, i want to share with all of you, some breaking news from the beginning of the show that is on this subject matter president biden plans to tap julie chavez rodriguez to ru his reelection campaign. this, again, according to su sources familiar with th decision that we just learne about, including one of them being a white house official confirming to nbc news thi information. she is the granddaughter o labor leader cesar chavez. she is the senior adviser to joe biden at the white house and director of the office o inter governmental affairs is it too early, i guess, but ask you, your reaction to that announcement that she is going to be te

we >> are you concerned more inflammatory rhetoric insanity as he describes, it from donal trump, we potentiall keep the court from conducting a fair trial is that out of the question? we >> yes. i think if you are talking about january 6th -- no, go ahead >> first you, then kathryn >> i think in the wake o january 6th we all need to recognize the kind of violence that donald trump's rhetoric conspired. i'll never forget a secret service agent describing to me her desire to cross a rubico for, her which was to publicly say that something was wrong and dangerous about what donal trump was saying on th campaign trail she saw the violence ramping u at his campaign events based o him saying to his supporters you know, beat him up, i'll pa for your lawyer, get him out o here he was encouraging people to violence even from the day before he was president. so i think we all need to keep this in mind secondly, i would, say alex an catherine, i know you know thi well, i covered a federal cour for many years every lawyer tells their clien be quiet, don't say a thing. but they don't think they

as we learn, and i'm sayin this obviously through donal trump.melessness is donald trump' superpower >> yes, absolutely but for now i would say that in order to have shame in the future, yo have to have examples of it. you have to save some of that. you have tomato that behavior, and certainly there are a lo of republicans who are ashamed of how donald trump comporte himself whether that caused hi the republican nomination ar not is, it looks like it wil not cost him the republica nomination >> look at the last week and a half, clarence thomas, how man experts have come on televisio and said that this is an ethic violation? this is a huge problem unless clarence thomas's conduct a straight-up illegal. he will keep on trucking >> it is horrible to kee looking and seeing these headlines. and it is so funny how on th other side, everything i george soros soros, soros and no one is saying anythin about harley what's his name? [inaudible it's horrifying, it' horrifying >> but if it was straight-up illegal, we've seen th progress for impeaching. he's n

what those people have bee waiting for is the day donal trump's claim would appear as criminal defendant, and as o today, that name appears as criminal defendants in exactly one piece of paper that ha been released publicly it is an order by the judge in the case, judge juan marchand, that allowed alvin bragg t make the announcement yesterday, that a grand jury had indicted donald trump allen braggs announcemen included no specificity abou the charges, that one page order by the judge carries the title of the case, the peopl of the state of new york against donald j trump defendant. we're going to leave that imag on the screen for a few more seconds for the people who hav been waiting for years to se those words in a criminal case donald j trump, defendant. donald trump has, of course, been a defendant in court, man times, in civil cases, and h is still a defendant in some very important civil cases this is the very first tim that anyone has ever gotten to see the name as a criminal defendant, donald j trump. defendant. thanks to the unprofessionalism, reckless disregard for the constitu

mike pence may even, as witness, try to help donal trump. think the experience o mike pence, overall, i important evidence for the entirety of this case, and the entirety of what prosecutors have to decide, as to whethe there are criminal charges here >> do you think, devlin, tha what pence is behind close doors, is eventually going t come out assuming, i suppose if there i eventual prosecution, there's high likelihood that we're going to find out what he says right? >> right if there were a trial on any subject, presumably would ge an understanding about wha mike pence said in grand jur jury i think frankly with high-profile investigation like this, there is a high chance that at some point this version will come out. but mike pence has been very adamant that my private versio will be the same as my publi version. >> the only difference, though is he is saying it under oath, and the doj can ask some follow-up questions, which i a sure they will have devlin barrett, thank you for making the time tonight. we have a lot more to ge through this

but i think we know that donal trump, one of his tactics is t delay.will avail himself o every possible motion he can make to make this case, both ones meritorious and potentially ones that ar frivolous, but that are brough to try and delay the way he ha in other court cases across th country. so i think the judge knows who donald trump is, he has seen that he has been held in contempt and sanctioned fo bringing frivolous motions before he will keep him under control that being said, for example one of the claims he is making his he cannot get a fair trial one of the people making it so he can't get a fair trial is himself because he continues t talk about it. he needs to -- if he wants this case an jurors not to have information outside of the courtroom, he has to stop talking, his lawyers have to stop talking it'll be interesting to see of judge marchand puts a gag orde on the parties given his claim that he cannot get a fair trial, given the amount of publicity. again, he is creating the very publicity he's complaining about. we will see what the ju

jean carroll and her legal team and so, at the end of the day, you're not gonna see donal trump come to court, and whether or not that's enough t kind of, duke the jury int thinking that that was sufficient for him, to not sho up, do not actually have t defend himself in his own word and on his own terms, i gues that will be left to be seen >> i wonder, deborah, to katie's point about what the sort of cost is to trump, if h is found guilty in the civil case, you will literally hav the words convicted rapist and current presidential candidate former president donald trump. but the reality is is that he' not going to jail for this i wondered for the women who have been victims of violenc themselves, whether -- how they square that idea. that you can be a convicte rapist who doesn't have to serve jail time, and that yo can physically run to be at th republican nominee for the highest office in the land >> right it's such an interesting point he'll be held liable, if you are suing that the jury come back with a verdict -- >> monetary penalty -- >> there will be no criminal sanction whats

>> mike pence is the mos directly and sharply incriminating witness of donal trump. he has got the words right fro the orange courses mouth, an when you can present direc evidence from the target of th investigation about th relentless pressure campaign trump was waging against pence when he was refusing to go along with trump's corrupt scheme, he is calling him a win, he is calling him the p-word he said i made a mistake when selected you as vice president there is a little nugget i pence's book that is prosecutorial gold he said, you know what, if you do not do it i am telling yo to do, it is because you are too honest bingo for a prosecutor what does that mean? >> ear to honest >> it means that donald trum knew what he was asking penc to do was dishonest. really important >> can you imagine saying that to your kids you are too honest ryan is there any indication about how much pence is able t say, because there is some limitations on this. >> i think there is a little bit of a scheme that he ra there in terms of saying tha we want to get the stuff fro the speech a

the decision to indict donal trump was not made on the basi of politics, it was made on th basis of law his peers. and as a criminal defendant, donald trump is entitled to du process, he's entitled t presumption of innocence and he should surrender himsel to manhattan district attorney and defend himself in a cour of law, rather than attempt to delegitimized the process. and i find it outrageous tha house republicans have bee intent on intimidating alvin bragg, district attorney, an interfering with a ongoing criminal prosecution that, to me, is a violation of ethics, it's abuse of power. you know, republicans ofte decry the -- of government, and here yo have republicans weaponizing government against the manhattan district attorney. >> is that what concerns you the most as this process begins? because it's not about political weaponization, thi is about the american lega system and that's getting lost. >> i'm concerned about attempt by house republicans t de-legitimize the american legal system we should all allow the lega process to unfold, and let the facts speak for themselves and i

now they ignore what donal trump does in the courses. i don't think he's gonna hav any impact on michael cohen. though i wouldn't put it pas him that he's upset and he wants some vengeance and if he can have michael cohen spend some amount of money to defend a frivolous lawsuit. he'll do that just because he' that kind of vindictive person donald trump uses these things to try to keep other peopl down the road from turning o him and turning in and holding him to justice in the courses. he studied his whole career. the plano longer works he doesn't know any other play >> what do you think, david, o all of this? do you see lawsuits like thi one to matt's point. obviously not having an effect on cohen but could have an effect on other witnesse perhaps those that could b still intimidated by donal trump scaring them into silence? >> let's remember that outside of the bragg case, there are three, four, maybe even more cases coming down the pike here with a lots of witnesses who worked for trump, who are very close to trump while there is a ce

. >> the people versus donal trump. >> joy reid, nicole, walli chris, hazed lawrence, o'donnell alex,ner stephanie ruhle. all here for msnbc special coverage of the first ever criminal indictment of a forme president of the united states good evening and thank you for being with us here tonight i am rachel maddow here at msnbc headquarters in new york along with lawrence o'donnel and joy reid, and nicole wallace, and chris hayes we are going to be joined by more of our closest colleagues over the course of this evenin tonight, as part of the specia coverage we know that you have ever choice in the world tonight as to where to get your news abou this historic event. that makes us all the more grateful that you are here together with us tonight. so, here is how it works just got the transcripts we know exactly how it went. the clerk. calendar number one, indictmen 71543 of 2023, people of the state of new york versus donal j trump. appearances. prosecutor, christophe conwright for the people, your honor. and judge, with me are kathryn mccaw, matthew cullen julio, steven hough injured be

this gift will be reappearin in pretrial motions in alvin bragg's prosecution of donal trump. trump will try to have thi case dismissed after insisting that there should be a hearing and which the trump lawyers ge to question mark pomerantz but alvin bragg has been anticipating all of this since the day mark pomerantz's boo came out and alvin bragg would not have gone into the trump prosecutio without a thorough plan of how to handle the pomerant problem. as he prosecutes donald trump. leading off our discussion tonight, is democratic congressman adam schiff of california he served on the january six select committee and i currently a candid of united states and in california also with us is andrew weissmann, fbi general counsel and former chief of th criminal division of the eastern district of new york congressman schiff, so it look like it's very likely that mar pomerantz will end up doin some kind of deposition for ji jordan so what are you expecting from him >> i'm not quite sure whethe he will refuse to answer all questions or just some questions but i share th skepticis

sodas jack smith's subpoena, if you'r mike pence we reported last night of th top of the show that donal trump lost his bid to stop mik pence from testifying, and today, special prosecutor jack smith had vice president mik pence before a federal grand jury, investigating donald trump and his role in januar six. that was fast. pence testified for more tha five hours political reports pence' closed-door appearance rocke an extraordinary flash point i jack smith's probe pence's appearance was accompanied by a frenzy of security activity in the federal courthouse in washington d.c., where u.s. marshals and other securit personnel conducted sweeps o the building before pence wa whisked inside without being spotted by cameras at th courthouse as main entrances ages former vice president did not comment on the appeals court's decision or pence' appearance, but previously indicated pence would follow the orders of the court. here's what mike pence described his final days wit donald trump in an op-ed in th wall street journal. quote, on january 5th i got an urgent call that the president was ask

she suspected to be the person who brought a home, made evelyn to starsky. correspondent donal quarter, see behind me that the cafe that we just saw on the program, those pick capture this explosion took place. you can see behind me there's fire truck happened. i mean, at least 30 people have been confirmed. one desk that was like, when was the native of done yet can really came to in, in ukraine and the dunbar. so right now, looking around the city for a woman by the be saw her bringing a small statue to, to tar ski and her turkey as his student, him as a journalist. but they say that they saw him right before the blast took place. and one of the versions of what had is that what the eye witnesses had to say. i'm going to put the dog 1st to move loveland. when i give you a postcard. he said, is this the one you drew? she continued. now i would like to give you a statue. she said that when she agent gave it to london, it was a golden head in the helmet. it didn't look back in suddenly everything exploded. the smoke appeared and then edward covered in blood, i saw the girl stand in room

calendar number one, indictmen 71543 of 2023, people of the state of new york versus donal j trump. appearances. prosecutor, christophe conwright for the people, your honor. and judge, with me are kathryn mccaw, matthew cullen julio, steven hough injured becky mangled. the judge, good afternoon. defensive oils good afternoon your honor. todd blanche for president trump. susan necklace for president trump as well. once again, joseph tacopina fo a president donald j trump the judge. good afternoon this matter is on fo arraignment. anything that we need to adjus for we conduct the remain? prosecutor not from the people, you honor. the judge. defense? defense lawyer no, your honor the judge will, well let's ramos trump. the clerk. donald j trump, the grand jury of new york county is file indictment 715 for three o 2023 charging you with crime of 34 counts of falsifying business records in the firs degree how do you plead to this indictment, guilty or no guilty defended mr. trump not guilty the one term donald trum presidency was of course marke by more than its share o turmoil and scand

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