the pause that donald trump's criminal defense lawyer says donald trump was asking for was a crime and it was the very last crime that donald trump and his coconspirators asked vice president to commit. they asked him to commit the crime many times. but the very last time donald trump and his coconspirators asked mike pence to commit that crime was not before mike pence went to the capitol on january six to preside over electoral college vote count ceremony. it was at 11:44 pm on january 6th, after the trump mob attacked the capitol, attacked police officers, said they wanted to kill mike pence, so they wanted to kill nancy pelosi. after the was capitol under attack for hours on end with donald trump doing nothing to stop it, hours after the trump criminal mob was driven out of the capitol building and in the middle of a congress's continuation of the official process of counting the electoral votes, at 11:44 pm, john eastman put his latest criminal proposal in writing and admitted in writing at the time that it was a crime. page 42 of the indictment says at 11:44 pm, coconspirator to

i from donald trump both on social media _ from donald trump both on social media and — from donald in the coming weeks and months. - media and traditional media in the coming weeks and months. ipith:- media and traditional media in the coming weeks and months. we have been of course _ coming weeks and months. we have been of course talk _ coming weeks and months. we have been of course talk about _ coming weeks and months. we have been of course talk about the - been of course talk about the previous indictment and trial dates are set for in 202a. right in the middle of the campaign. can you give us a sense of when we might see this case? we know the arraignment is set to take place in dc on thursday. when this case might possibly go to trial? . , , , ~ trial? the immediate steps, like indictment _ trial? the immediate steps, like indictment and _ trial? the immediate steps, like indictment and arraignment - trial? the immediate steps, like indictment and arraignment that trial? the immediate steps, like - indictment and arraignment that they can happen _ indictment and arraignment

and after a third donald trump term he would not install donald trump junior as president for life of the united states? it seems like a joke, doesn't it? but we have seen democracy slide this way before. we have seen strongmen, including some of donald trump's favorite world leaders, get reelected with 99% of the vote. we have seen what happens to a republic without checks and balances. ladies and gentlemen, today we are saying donald trump be checked. we are seeing his attempted coup be rebalanced by a department of justice that for the first time in our nation's has indicted a president for attempting to invalidate an election. i would be remiss if i did not say as a black american that it is not lost on me that donald trump is being arraigned today under the very same statutes used to prosecute the kkk. the very same. to reverse a man attempts to disenfranchise voters. the very same the doj used to put the plan under the ground -- the kkk underground being used by a former president that targeted atlanta, detroit, and milwaukee. they went to wear black voters voted and tried to ha

that social media posed by donald _ from donald trump.mith of the meeting in the car behind me, we know they've been there today for that we believe they have left but persons still inside the court said there is some sort of suggestion that there could be a decision about the january six investigation. as always, donald trump tends to get ahead of these things. we saw this in the last indictment in florida with the classified documents. the first indictment over allegations that he falsified business documents backin that he falsified business documents back in new york. strangely there is almost like a blueprint by the former president and running to be president again of these indictments. as of yet there is no official confirmation at all about what is happening. all we can go off of it is what donald trump is saying. and just to recap what you said they are, to quote again he said, "i hear deranged jack smith, that's what he refers to the special prosecutor, in order to interfere with the election of 2024 will be putting out yet anot

* , ,, ., donald trump.ourth indictment _ donald trump. as you mentioned, the fourth indictment the - the fourth indictment the former president is facing and we sawjust former president is facing and we saw just recently a former president is facing and we sawjust recently a number of republican former lawmakers, formerjudge and attorney general, gathered together to agree with that push from jack smith they should be an expedited hearing. i thought that was fascinating - expedited hearing. i thought that was fascinating and - expedited hearing. i thought that was fascinating and it i that was fascinating and it shows that there is some sentiment among republicans, maybe not the republicans were closest elijah donald trump, the closest political allies, but individuals may be trying to give the best interests of the party long—term in mind, that they want to get this over quicker. they don't want this drawn out, they want to rip off the band—aid and if he is going to be tried and can be good, it's much bett

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one man turned up in an orange jumpsuit and donald mass -- donald trump mask and in handcuffs. not expect to see him in handcuffs other way. and some said what about donald trump and his litigation as well? so we already see that all or is asian on the eve of this arraignment. christian: what can you tell us about the judge that will be sitting in this case? >> the judge, it is interesting i think there will be a lot of focus on tanya chutkan that was appointed by the former president barack obama. she is known for handing out some of the most severe sentence is to the january 6 rioters. all 1000 people have been investigated, more than 100 -- 400 have been charged. some of them are serving jail sentences. and she, i just wanted to let you know that she made a quick ahead of the arraignment as well. she today told an attorney and an unrelated mass that she -- fizzes what has been reported that she has not slept. that she received the assignment. and that she tried to get some sleep and in case if i can get out of town which is increasingly looking like a good idea. this is what

so you have one trial donald trump as a rapist, donald trump paying hush money to a porn star, donaldrump who violated the espionage act, donald trump who try charged with conspiracy to overthrow an election, and desantis cannot figure out a way to beat this guy. i mean, this is an interesting question. it may be left up to joe biden, but i agree with jason. i generally think of a pessimistic view. this is day we get the polls where donald trump despite all this baggage is still running 43-43 with joe biden, but there's going to be over the next few months it's going to be very, very hard to overcome. >> it's going to be like a big old marching band marching through this whole thing. great to see you both. i appreciate you joining us. and on that note i wish you a good night from all of our colleagues across the networks of nbc news. thanks for staying up late. i'll see again tomorrow. or staye i'll see again tomorrow. (regular voice) let's fix this. (alternate voice) poligrip power hold + seal gives our strongest hold and 5x food seal. if your mouth could talk, it would ask for... po

it's very bad news for donald trump tonight the star witness against donald trump who identified on this program as trump employee for. apparently flipped him decided to testify against donald trump after receiving a target letter from the special part prosecutor. donald trump has to be worried more than ever tonight that his associates will flip and start cooperating with jack smith as soon as they receive target letters from jack smith. trump employee for could start a stampede of trump witnesses against donald trump in all of the criminal cases that donald trump will be facing. trump employee for use all to various received a target letter from special prosecutor jack smith after donald trump was indicted by jack smith in espionage in obstruction of justice indictment. imagine working at mar-a-lago and having a target letter from jack smith after you have watched your coworker march into a federal courthouse in miami as a criminal defendant with donald trump. as a trump employee working at mar-a-lago in a matter how much you worship to fear donald trump. when you watched him get arres

donald trump. new york deals with falsifying business record with falsifying business record with those hush money payments to the bolster stormy daniels and that he was indicted in florida of the messam link classified documents and now he's been charged in two separate cases. the —— over classified documents. this deals with three specific charges and it only target donald trump. it is built for speed, to go quickly, to try to get this wrapped up before the 2024 campaign is over. whereas this georgian case with so many people charged looks to tell the whole story of how trump and his allies attempted to obtain the election and how those efforts went from legal efforts, as they started with with a 60 court cases and then morphed into a legal efforts in the view of the prosecutor and actually became racketeering conspiracy and a criminal enterprise and that is going to be the case that prosecutors have to make to the jury, that this was notjust a good—faith effort to fight the election result, that

so much of donald trump de-ends case? so much of donald trump depends on _ case?audience. - case? so much of donald trump depends on the audience. if- depends on the audience. if you're his supporter, that's on the first places they go to defend him. we can and cannot say and they'll be if you're a sceptic, you're going to think very differently differently on this and tromped, as we've seen them do is be hauled into a space and also hopes to activate a space. he doesn't have the go after moderate or independent voters in this whole process will vary legally oriented for trump, very serious jail time could happen for donald trump, it's also happening in a very political context is trying to maximise the politics of this to benefit him more than anyone else and i would caution those who were indicted with donald trump on this, loyalty is one way st with donald trump. we see people try to score points with donald trump he does not give points, takes them away one at a time that could happen in this trial too. anyone indicted with donald trump to be thrown under the

or for donald i attack donald trump over these i indictments.rself is _ himself, having a mug shot taken of yourself is not generally considered a good _ yourself is not generally considered a good thing but we know that donald trump _ a good thing but we know that donald trump has _ a good thing but we know that donald trump has a boost in support from the republican base every time he aets the republican base every time he gets indicted, fund raising millions off of— gets indicted, fund raising millions off of these indictments and solidify— off of these indictments and solidify its standing in the republican field and what we could see them _ republican field and what we could see them doing is trying to make the most of— see them doing is trying to make the most of the — see them doing is trying to make the most of the situation and we could see him _ most of the situation and we could see him using this to say, whatever they've _ see him using this to say, whatever they've done to me. the system is rigged. _ they've done to me. the system i

of donald trump. fani willis's indictment is the indictment that made donald trump shot up. and so on monday we will not be hearing donald trump's defense to the rico charge he is facing in georgia. we will not hear donald trump's defense to his famous phone call on january 2nd of 2021 to georgia secretary of state brad raffensperger. >> all i want to do is this. i just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have. >> that phone call got donald trump indicted for solicitation of violation of oath by a public officer. if it sounded criminal to you the first time you heard donald trump asking for those 11,000 votes, it sounded criminal to district attorney willis, as well. now donald trump is indicted for that request that the secretary of state violate his oath and committed crime for donald trump. but donald trump is also indicted on another count for that same phone call. that is the crime of making false statements to government officials in georgia, which the indictment says was, quote

he was on donald's lap, from the entire time the day that donald entered the white house, to the day he left. >> how do you explain it? >> i believe he is a cooperating witness. >> jared kushner. that's interesting. people have pointed out that mark meadows is conspicuously absence from the indictment. but vch jury ared kushner is hi son-in-law. you think jared kushner would cooperate? >> you don't think donald wouldn't throw jared under the bus? it's an emphatic yes. >> you think the same is true about mark meadows? >> absolutely. what's one thing that bill barr said? donald trump doesn't care. he's a one-way street. that means in jared goes down, mark meadows, or rudy giuliani, or eastman, or any of them, he doesn't care. that's just who he is. >> re >> speaking of eastman, eastman's attorney says john eastman will not turn on donald trump. here's what he said earlier tonight. >> dr. eastman is happy to tell his side of the story. to tell the issues he believes are important to the constitution and the country. under the right circumstances he would share those views and share his

john eastman knew it, mike pence certainly know, time is donald trump noted. >> so barbara mcquade, donald lawyer has tonight publicly entered two statements from donald trump very similar in warding but two statements that andrew suggests could be admissible in the trial, a trial or no one expects donald trump to take the stand and testify himself, this might be evidence in that case as presented by the prosecution as an admission to what they are accusing donald trump of doing? >> i think donald trump and his lawyers play different gain in the rest of us. i think we are all focused on the evidence it's gonna come in on trial in the court, and i think what he said tonight is harmful and, it's not gonna provide any valid legal offense, but i think donald trump's game is to win in the court of public opinion. detained the potential jury pool, solely needs one person there to nullify it. this is all about getting the public talk about it, now relayed and his lawyers and to get a pause, a think that's the game replying here. but as a dangerous game, because ultimately in a courtroom, the judg

and to say, it was donald trump a's i to say, it was donald trump a's ability— to say, it was donaldattempts - to say, it was donald trump a's ability for his attempts to - to say, it was donald trump a's i ability for his attempts to change or twist _ ability for his attempts to change or twist the — ability for his attempts to change or twist the results _ ability for his attempts to change or twist the results of _ ability for his attempts to change or twist the results of an - ability for his attempts to change i or twist the results of an election, that is— or twist the results of an election, that is the — or twist the results of an election, that is the fraud... _ or twist the results of an election, that is the fraud. . ._ or twist the results of an election, that is the fraud... special counsel jack smith arriving. _ that is the fraud... special counsel jack smith arriving. let's _ that is the fraud... special counsel jack smith arriving. let's listen - jack smith arriving. let's listen in. good evening. today an indictment was unsealed. charging donald] trump with conspirin

they don't fear donald trump. they hate donald trump. let me say that again, kevin mccarthy, these other republicans, they don't fear him. they hate him. they fear his supporters. they fear his supporters will turn the channel to another network. they fear his supporters will vote for another republican. >> that's a toxic relationship. >> they fear that. we see and hear republicans, listen, i'm a conservative. i voted for trump. i wanted him to win. i love the constitution more than i love donald trump. i will not lie for this guy. i will not betray my country for donald trump. and so, again, that's what's so disappointing with some of these people we see who spent from november the 4th to january the 6th undermining american democracy, turning a mob against the united states capitol and against congress. and now the same people on tv and in congress that are doing everything they can to turn americans against the system of justice that sustained this great republic for over 240 years. chuck, can you give me a time line? we understand th

donald trump is certainly angry.a series of messages on the truth social platform, he says in capitals, nothing like this has happened before, our country cannot let this stand. and as you said, promises to release next week a large complex of what he calls irrefutable reports into presidential election fraud in georgia, that he says would lead to a complete exoneration of the charges against him. to be honest, we don't expect anything new from donald trump, perhaps just a rehash of the old allegations he made, still maintaining he didn't lose the election and the election in georgia itself. in the next nine days, between now and friday, he has to present himself and surrendered to authorities in georgia. those charges against him will be formally read out to him. the prosecutor there has also said she wants a trial to take place within the next six months. the significance of that, that would be right in the middle of a presidential election campaign. donald trump has made it clear that he plans to stand again for t

that's where donald trump is due to turn himself. and we're watching pictures roseland, all the convoy making its way up the freeway there towards the court house as good as we were talking about on the other up in the crowds of people behind you, you'll be gathering their for several hours. is there any sense of anticipation as the convoy gets closer there is a growing sensitive piston and a growing sense of excitement spray shot anger. jubilation is really depends on where you fall on the political spectrum. i mean, it's really hard for me to show you the entrance, the main entrance to the jail, because we have lots of people here. hundreds of people here outside the main entrance to the fulton county jail. are hoping that they will get a glimpse of the former president donald trump as surrenders as part of this 41 count election conspiracy. hey, now it's not expected. as we heard alan's issue, just say that he's going to spend a lot of time here. but the fact that the former president is actually coming to a county jail, to surren

that's what donald wants. he's pushing the line every single day further and further by doing the things that he does. he knows what he's doing. he doesn't know what he's doing. he knows that he's guilty. of course, to play to his supporters, he will never acknowledge it. why wouldn't he? he's drifting off of them. >> who would you think is a linchpin? obviously in the january 6th indictment, rudy giuliani as an unindicted and an and named coconspirator. rudy giuliani is all over the. think sydney powell is all over. john eastman, we know what his role was. ken cheeseborough, we know what his role. won the chief of staff showed up nowhere in the january six indictment. all over the georgia indictments as unindicted coconspirator and who is the one they need the most? there is more than one and f any of them ends up turning its destruction for the rest. rudy, for sure, mark meadows for sure. and eastman for sure. >> do you know already well? did you deal with him a lot? >> unfortunately, yes. >> where do you th

who at one and pardoned donald trump and the - pardoned donald trump and the governor— pardoned donaldll into line very quickly probably with whatever a republican president other— whatever a republican president other than donald trump did and that leaves _ other than donald trump did and that leaves you _ other than donald trump did and that leaves you with new york and those are serious — leaves you with new york and those are serious charges but that is the least _ are serious charges but that is the least serious and others charges against — least serious and others charges against donald trump and if the judgment could try to go away from the state _ judgment could try to go away from the state attorney because the justice — the state attorney because the justice department prosecuted the case against donald trump lawyer, michael: _ case against donald trump lawyer, michael: consenting tojoe case against donald trump lawyer, michael: consenting to joe for case against donald trump lawyer, michael: consenting tojoe for the stormy— michael: consenting tojoe for the stormy daniels c

, for donald trump.— donald trump.p's cases he had to speak out to ensure that the election was fair. jack smith says that's fair enough, and you can even lie about the election if you want to. what you can't do is conspire to defraud the electors from their vote, correct?— defraud the electors from their vote, correct? that's right, and i auree vote, correct? that's right, and i agree that _ vote, correct? that's right, and i agree that there _ vote, correct? that's right, and i agree that there is _ vote, correct? that's right, and i agree that there is sorting - vote, correct? that's right, and i agree that there is sorting out i vote, correct? that's right, and i agree that there is sorting out to do that— agree that there is sorting out to do that he's going to have to do in this process. but man, do they have a lotto _ this process. but man, do they have a lotto work— this process. but man, do they have a lot to work with. the concreteness of this _ a lot to work with. the concreteness of this offers — a lot to w

will donald trump's children continue to financially support him after donald trump is gone? and donald trump has to ask himself tonight, how long can he count on carlos de oliveira, when trump employee 4, yuscil ta has already shown carlos de oliveira and all other trump employees the safest way to react to a target letter from jack smith. carlos de oliveira came to this country from portugal. he has worked at mar-a-lago for approximately 20 years. cnn is reporting that members of his family, quote, couldn't even sleep last night with all what's going on. de oliveira the's family was pretty certain that he did not realize the consequences of what trump was telling him to do, when he asked him to delete the security footage. and that given his lack of money, de oliveira was probably just doing anything that trump told him to do. he isn't familiar with how the government here works, and he was probably just being loyal to his boss who was paying his bills, the person told cnn. the family feels like he got trapped. trump employee 4, yuscil taveras, as shown carlos de oliveira t

donald trump has this nomination on lockdown. and no one's going to take it away. >> carlos, i've got less than a minute. i mean, my question for you is this. the democrats are gonna file and on this right now. some free advice? i know you are a republican, but for advice to the democrats, what should we be doing to capitalize on all of this criminal drama going for donald trump right now? >> the best thing democrats can do is take a step back and let donald trump dominate the headlines. so, this theory has been tested three times already. donald trump and his base has been rejected by the party in three consecutive general elections. 2018, when republicans were swept out of the house, in response to donald trump and his policies and his style. 2020, when trump was voted out, and 2022, when republicans were supposed to dominate those midterm elections, and really failed to do so, only winning the house by a few votes. so, we already know what a majority of the country thinks about donald trump and his movement. so, if i was a dem

donald trump was not there, and donald trump was not on the lips of anybody that showed up, any of the presidential candidates, except for one, chris christie, what was the reception they got, and what do you make of them not touching donald trump or the indictment while they were there, especially in a state like georgia where the governor said flat out, the election wasn't stolen and donald trump was wrong for labeling it so. >> for 48 hours there was an alternate reality in a hotel ballroom where donald trump wasn't running for president and wasn't the run away primary favorite, and so there were a great deal of substantiative policy conversations that the candidates had with the host about everything from foreign policy in china to dealing with the border so education, but ultimately, none of that will likely matter. i mean, they are preparing for the debate wednesday night in milwaukee. this was a good test of the stump speeches and who might attack who and who voters are resonating with. at the end of the day, in georgia, a majority of the primary voters polled are saying they're

. - donald trump is a liar. donald trump is a loser. and donald trump is a national security threat to the united states of america. - [hoover] one of the few gop candidates willing to call out donald trump directly, will hurd served for nearly a decade as an undercover cia operative, then for three terms representing a congressional district along the southern border in texas. - i represent more border than any member of congress. 820 miles. i can tell you with certainty that there is indeed a crisis at the border. we all know this. - [hoover] hurd didn't run for reelection to congress in 2022. now, he's pitching an "american reboot" for 2024, even if his anti-trump message isn't always popular in his own party. - donald trump is running to stay out of prison. and if we elect- [crowd boos] i know, i know, i know. - recently even receiving boos at the iowa gop's lincoln dinner. - listen, i know the truth. the truth is hard. - [hoover] what does gop presidential candidate will hurd say now? - [presenter] "firing line with margaret hoover

i think you have to keep in mind that donald trump the defendant, and donald trump the candidate.ent he does not have the space to pivot in both at the same time. so what we saw last night, pretty much ensures for him, i don't have a serious contender. i am more likely than not going to be the republican nominee. and so this is a space that i don't have to worry about because if you look at the numbers today, no one gained any real traction. anything that changed the numbers were nominal at best. and so he knows that i've got the party locked in my pocket. and so now i could focus on being a defendant and the rest of the stuff that i would need to normally focus on as a candidate, i just have to maintain the status quo. that's very, very important for, him and the legal strategy it is not clear how much his defense team is talking to his campaign. but it is clear that they have to coordinate their strategy on some level. because those things have to be consistent. the fact that he doesn't have a real challenge or that republican field is a very big plus for him to be able to be fo

well, donald trump has already been _ false. well, donald trump has already been charged - false.ald trump has already been charged in two i false. well, donald trump has - already been charged in two other unrelated cases. he's do to take down my face trial in new york next month in payments to the former film star, stormy daniels. he unlawfully held onto military classified documents, but it is claimed. kelly hyman, i get the sense from the prosecutor that he wants to act with speed. do you get a sense that as soon as this is done tomorrow, he will take precedence? this case will take precedence? because people need to know the outcome of this case before they can vote. i outcome of this case before they can vote. ~ ., �* , outcome of this case before they can vote. ~ ., 3 ~ , outcome of this case before they can vote. ~ . �*, ~ , .,, vote. i think that's key. there was a recent study _ vote. i think that's key. there was a recent study poll— vote. i think that's key. there was a recent study poll that _ vote. i think that's key. there was a recent study poll that was - vote. i

donald trump because it _ proceeding. donald trump because it another - proceeding.d trump because it another break l because it another break indictment and an attempt to interfere with the 2024 presidential election campaign. in other news, a powerful typhoon is sweeping towards southern japan. urging thousands of people to seek shelter. light from our studio in singapore, this is bbc news. it's newsday. welcome to the programme. we begin in the united states where former president donald trump has been indicted over his efforts to overturn the results of the 2020 election and summoned to appear in a federal court on thursday. this is the most serious legal threat yet to the president, as he campaigns to return to the white house. he is charged with four counts detailed in this 45- four counts detailed in this 45— page indictment, conspiracy to defraud the united states can, conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding, attempt to obstruct an official proceeding and conspiracy against the rights of citizens. there is the special counseljack smith announcing the in

t does not become damaging to donald trum - ? ~ does not become damaging to donald trum - ?_ trump? i think donald trump being the master marketer that _ trump? i think donald trump being the master marketer that he - trump? i think donald trump being the master marketer that he is - trump? i think donald trump being the master marketer that he is he l the master marketer that he is he uses _ the master marketer that he is he uses that— the master marketer that he is he uses that opportunity to create himself— uses that opportunity to create himself as he turned her to the establishment at least that's what i would advise them to do. that actually — would advise them to do. that actually portrays him as an outsider _ actually portrays him as an outsider. that's a very powerful message — outsider. that's a very powerful message when everybody is frustrated at washington, dc. i don't think it will happen— at washington, dc. i don't think it will happen because a lot of trump supporters— will happen because a lot of trump supporters actually running for president and reinforcin

when donald trump left to play and he was wearing his white shot and rapes tied a traditional for donald trump and the pictures that we're seeing online don't have them waiting. not so be careful before you start reporting any of that. but yes, and the last 48 hours, particularly in the last few of the been a few significant developments. one of them for goals and a gentleman by the name of kemp, chief bra, who was a big jump supporter who. what for him in georgia, he asked the court for his case, it to be had quickly. he's a like to do the on the door to a lot of funny. well, as soon as the prosecutor said, that's a great idea and move the case from march to october. the 23rd a judge has the cheeseburger the appeal to do that and said he was fine with it. but he said only chase bro, means the others were automatic. we have a march date as well, and it started on october date as well. and we know that donald trump's team has filed save and he wants to be separate from chase. bright essentially say you hear his case, then you hear ours and also is that they don't want to be involved in an

so donald trump is already back to being _ donald trump is already back to being donald trump, of itse money. that being donald trump, of its un'ust, it's unfair, send me money. that is mark meadows _ it's unfair, send me money. that is mark meadows on _ it's unfair, send me money. that is mark meadows on the _ it's unfair, send me money. that is mark meadows on the screen - it's unfair, send me money. that is mark meadows on the screen at - it's unfair, send me money. that is| mark meadows on the screen at the moment, that is mark meadows, number two in the white house during the trump administration. that photograph by the sheriff, the mug shot, and we are expecting we might get a similar mug shot of donald trump, that is quite extraordinary, unprecedented to see people who are at the top of the american administration treated in this particular way. administration treated in this particularway. but administration treated in this particular way. but this is making very clear that the district attorney in georgia that nobody will be getting special treatment in this case. joe marino

this strengthens donald trump. donald trump has i donald trump. by these indictments because, remember, down from has a very powerful message. he says to his base and a lot of people in this country. it is that the system is rigged against me, against you, against all of us and that is very powerful message to send to a lot of people who are naturally cynical about the government or naturally cynical about institutions, and with every indictment, that actually works in his favour, as we have seen any polls religion voters. it would kill the career of any other politician and uc even now with the republican primary, with this race for the president nomination, he is miles ahead of all the other candidates, miles ahead, and none of them use any of these indictments, any of these legal cases against him at all. you think they would, right? you think this would be great leverage to use against arrival, that he has all these legal problems, but they don't. instead they either embrace what he is saying, which then strengthens his claims of election frau

belief and people who know donald trump say, he really believed it. >> you know donald trump.do you think he believed it? >> i do. i think he believed it. >> you know donald trump, do you think he believed it? >> i have talked to him about it. and you know, he truly believes it. i disagree. i have on record saying i thought he lost. but he has a right to his own opinion. >> matt whitaker, do you believe -- by telling the electors, that he's entitled to do that, that's not a crime. matt, do you believe that, you know as well? >> i talked to him a lot about these issues and i think you did seriously and honestly believe the election was unfair and if an honest count had been made he would have won. >> i think he passed a lie detector test. that result here, a group professor dershowitz. i believe he can't given a fair trial in dc the trials in dc, it's complete it will b guilty verdict. what happens on the field, does he win? real quick, exit question. >> yes absolutely 100 percent he wins on appeal. either in the circuit court of appeals or supreme court. >> are right and matt,

donald trump said he dead.ot days later he posted something to this hold -- certainly sounded like it violated the georgia state law prohibiting influencing witnesses. he said, i know lieutenant governor, former lieutenant governor jeff duncan's gun appear before the grand jury. quote, he shouldn't. he should not testify. he told the witness not to testify. it violates georgia state law. but importantly, it violated his most important condition of release. i can't wait until judge chutkan takes this on on the 28th. and here is my concern of donald trump isn't held into account for violating the most important condition of his release. what kind of signal does that send about the trustworthiness of the criminal justice system? >> let's talk big picture here. looking into 2024. michael luttig, judge michael luttig, a friend of the show along with lawrence tribe were on ali velshi show this weekend. they were discussing a recent piece they wrote, a lot of us have seen a caught people's attention in the atlantic ti

donald trump is not above the law. donald trump does not stand alone in this. he stands among people who have been helping him. and standing with the structural ills of the country. that's why supremacy, sergeant, xenophobia -- that is white supremacy, misogyny, xenophobia. we cannot have a former president be able to operate on his own set of rules. we cannot allow continued attacks on our democracy go unchecked and uncontrolled. to keep everyone safe, we will demand that no one be held above the law. we will continue to callout everyone who will try to maintain systems of oppression and disenfranchisement. i cannot think anything -- of anything more anti-american and anti-freedom than attacking the very foundations of democracy but we will not bend and we will not break. i'm when you all to say that. we will not rent -- vent and -- we will not bend and we will not break. we will need to dismantle the very systems of oppression and white supremacy. donald trump is facing prison time today because he tried to reverse the election and we cannot let this be norma

he was there, on donald slap, the entire time, from the day donald entered the white house to the day that he left. >> how do you explain it? >> i believe he is probably a cooperating witness. >> jared kushner, that's interesting because people pointed out mark meadows is conspicuously absent, okay, from the indictment. jared kushner is his son-in-law. you think his son in law would cooperate against donald trump? >> in a heartbeat. needing jared is any different than donald? do you think donald wouldn't throw jared under the bus in order to save himself? the answer is an impact to guess. >> you think the same is true of mark meadows? >> absolutely. what's the one thing bill barr said i totally agree with? donald doesn't care about anyone or anything other than himself. he is a one-way street. if that means jared has to go down to mark meadows, or rudy, where eastman, or any of them, he doesn't care. that is who he is. >> speaking of eastman, his attorney says that john eastman will not turn on donald trump. here is what he said earlier tonight. >> dr. eastman is happy to find his sid

ewen into the mind of donald trump? seven ears of into the mind of donald trump?d trump? seven years of hearing those _ into the mind of donald trump? seven years of hearing those words - - years of hearing those words — corrupt, rich, witchhunt — my god, wejust corrupt, rich, witchhunt — my god, we just cannot escape hearing the same message over and over. it feels like groundhog day. the republican party would be so much better off without donald trump. its leaders at the highest levels know that. but what can they do? they can't hold back somebody that's been told by many republican voters and flyover states and our midwestern states, and places and parts of america that feel that they've been forgotten. those people say this is a man with a powerful personality and who's actually been fun, they've called him. i think actually been fun, they've called him. ithink it actually been fun, they've called him. i think it is certainly a crisis for the republican party to see donald trump continue to pull well, but i would caution against looking at the polls right now

i don't know how you get nominated in the donald trump maga party and be against donald trump.d trump is a defining factor of whether or not you are considered legitimate or legitimate. i've got a friend, hassan jeffries, whose brother, hakeem jeffries, the minority leader. hassan is a professor in ohio. he said to me, donald trump is the first president we've had who is not bound by either party, principle, or patriotism. and if you think about it that way, he is completely uncontrollable, it is a tragedy that here we are in the beginning of, the late beginning of the 21st century and we've had the united states president who really is not a patriot, he's the least patriotic person we've ever seen in the office. >> i will say, and i'm not trying to make light, marjorie taylor greene's tweet, harry, but it is, we are at a point where there seems to be an incredible lack of knowledge about basic things like the constitution and how government works. in the space of that lack of knowledge, it has been filled with lack of respect and lack of trust. >> into the breach. look, from a

donald trump hasn't done it. donald trump will never testify at this trial, unless he literally has to throw his lawyers off of his arms as they try to stop him. there's no way he takes that stand because he knows that his lawyers know that hill up perjuring himself. so this is a political game. it's all political talking points. he's made some pretty dangerous comments on truth social about mike pence that might get him slapped down by the judge. credibility wise, pence has in spades. >> thank you all very much for starting off our discussion tonight. >> have a good night. >> thank you for having us. >> when we come back, harvard law professor laurence tribe will join us with his analysis of the trump first amendment defense and his reaction to reporting in the new york times tonight that one of the memos originally written about the fake electors scheme was using laurence tribe, quoting him in that memo. that is next. my most important kitchen tool? my brain. so i choose neuriva plus. unlike some others, neuriv

belief and people who know donald trump say, he really believed it. >> you know donald trump.think he believed it? >> i do. i think he believed it. >> you know donald trump, do you think he believed it? >> i have talked to him about it. and you know, he truly believes it. i disagree. i have on record saying i thought he lost. but he has a right to his own opinion. >> matt whitaker, do you believe -- by telling the electors, that he's entitled to do that, that's not a crime. matt, do you believe that, you know as well? >> i talked to him a lot about these issues and i think you did seriously and honestly believe the election was unfair and if an honest count had been made he would have won. >> i think he passed a lie detector test. that result here, a group professor dershowitz. i believe he can't given a fair trial in dc the trials in dc it's complete it will b guilty verdict. what happens on the field, does he win? real quick, exit question. >> yes absolutely 100 percent he wins on appeal. either in the circuit court of appeals or supreme court. >> are right and matt, do you

all of donald trump's defense lawyers have failed more spectacularly in the representation of donald trump than anything they have ever done in their professional lives because they have all failed at the most basic task, the first task, of a criminal defense lawyer, which is to control your client. donald trump is out of control, spewing poisonous hateful, racist, sexist lies about the prosecutors and judges who are involved in the cases, the criminal cases against him. or, as in fani willis's case, still investigating him. and every one of donald trump's criminal defense lawyers knows that every poisoned, filthy word donald trump has said about the prosecutors, every one of those words is a pathological lie. and not one of those criminal defense lawyers has the professional dignity or human decency to disassociate himself from donald trump's vicious, hateful lies about prosecutors who those criminal defense lawyers know have all conducted themselves perfectly honorably. donald trump's criminal defense lawyers live in abject fear of donald trump, abject fear, and you can see that fe

your two on us from donald trump to mike pence. we'll go a very long way, if not all the way, to prove beyond reasonable doubtdold trus lying about mike pence's power to overturn the election. throughout today's indictment, jack smith confidently writes he knew. those words, he knew, appear applying to donald trump and the fact that jack smith believes that he can prove beyond reasonable doubt that donald trump knew that everything he was saying about the election in december and january was a lie. on page six, jack smith first to dump as prolific lies. jack smith uses all republican witnesses in this indictment to prove that donald trump knew that everything he was saying about stolen votes or machine switching votes or dead people voting was a lie. if you are on a donald trump's criminal defense lawyer sitting at home tonight, wondering how you are going to fight this evidence, you already know that you can't fight most, because the only person who can dispute with donald trump set in his phone calls, for example, with mike pence

[donald] it is the home of donald trump, when you think about it. i know. you are here more than abby and stevey here combined. this was a crucial opportunity for trump to expose himself to the republican primary electorate. [donald] we have to go in strong on isis, and we have to be vicious. that's what guides his political sense. what are people rewarding him for? what are they applauding at? he is saying what the voters want to hear. he doesn't care what people think. he tells the truth. obviously, trump is a threat. -yeah. -because he doesn't fit in the same box all the other republicans are in. something happened where a large number of people decided there was an establishment out there that had let people down. "they're sending our jobs away. they're letting people come in the country who shouldn't be here." [woman] trump says, "i'm gonna make america great again." and people want to believe something good. they'll do just about anything for a job. [van] and here comes trump to say, "there is an elite establishment that thinks you're suckers, and i'm