donald trump is now appealing a ruling by the trial judge in that case, tanya chutkan, denying donald trump's claim of complete immunity for all of his conduct while serving as president of the united states. the supreme court denied jack smith motion to move that appear directly to the supreme court and bypass the court of appears in washington d.c.. so the federal appeals, the federal court of appeals in washington d.c., we'll hear oral arguments in that case on january 9th, which is an schedule of that for the appeals court. jeremy ninth is the next big date for defendant trump in jack smith. last month the appeals court issued an opinion on an issue in this case, they deliver that opinion two weeks after the oral argument. if they hold that sort of schedule for this appeal, you can expect a appeals court ruling by the end of january and then you can expect that ruling to be appealed to the united states supreme court, which would then possibly add another month or two or more. before we get a final ruling by the united states supreme court on whether the president of the united st

what would a second donald trump term look like? i ask in part because one of the things that happened in the first trump term was institutions held, some of the things he wanted to do turned out to not be possible because the system is complicated. why would you assume the same would not be true in a second trump term? ms. cheney: first of all, what we learned certainly on january 6 and after is the institutions don't hold themselves, people do that. if you look at what trump was trying to do, especially as it related to january 6, what he did do, there were people around him who in some cases we know were working very hard to stop, telling him what you are attempting is illegal and unconstitutional. those people will not be there in a second term. you will not have people who are responsible, both because they want to and also because the trump folks have already said we are not interested in conservative federalist society attorneys who will abide by the law. secondly, if you look at the separation of power, what helps to ensure

c., has been considering donald trump's appeal of a very limited gag order on donald trump issued by judge chutkan for five weeks now. and whenever they issue their opinion on that, donald trump is very likely to appeal it to the united states supreme court. when will the appeals court, which seemed during the oral argument in the case to unanimously agree they should be some kind of a gag order, finally issue their opinion? that we have no idea. there is no deadline on their proceedings. the same appeals court has taken two years to issue some opinions. two months is considered fast. the united states supreme court can take the better part of a year at the final stage of such appeals and it doesn't have to be this way. the courts have made it this way. the appeals courts and the supreme court have chosen to move as slowly as they do. in some cases it is understandable that appeals take years, because they are relevant lee low priority flea low priority items on a very crowded docket for judges that have many appeals to decide in many opinions to write. in the cases of criminal defen

donald trump is a legal terrorist.no one alive who has more experience in our court system as a plaintive were defended than donald trump. he knows how to weaponize the system. use it to his advantage, appeal, a feel, a feel so that he can delay. our democracy can't afford that right now. >> he's also saying that your prosecution of him in the senate trial in moving his conduct on january 6th creates a situation of double jeopardy now that jack smith is trying to prosecute him for essentially the same conduct in court. >> he's using illegal colloquialism that does not actually exist. he's just assuming that people say oh yeah, but no. actually, by the way, a majority of the senators, including republicans, said that he committed insurrection. so i don't know if he wants to really bring that to life. what we are seeing right now, whether it's the civil cases that i am apart over the criminal cases is this legal tapestry of accountability. when used all together, i think it's our best shot of having a security blanket to

how does donald trump, who obviously has no respect for the constitution, how does donald trump come back into office and what will he do to undermine the structures and the safety systems that we have built to protect our democracy? so, much of the issue is focused on that. again, as you point out aptly, this stuff isn't secret. he tells us how he feels. it's up to us to listen. so i thought maybe we could put this all together in one place. not that -- you know, it's past thanksgiving, but you still have access to your dispeptic uncle, and maybe someone could hand them this issue and say read this through. it's all fact checked, all there, all in his own language, and then make your decision. >> that's the hope of all of these discussions. ian, the last time you were on tv, you were with us, you made the point, as jeffrey just did that, whether your biggest issues are immigration or border or climate or taxation or regulation, that's not the issue. the issue of our time is the preservation of democracy. it's not even a uniquely american issue, but it is -- that's the thing you have

would you be okay with a pardon for donald trump? >> i understand nicky's argument, in that everyone wants to move on from the drama and chaos of donald trump. we're all so tired of it and worn out of it, as americans. so the idea that, look, having a former president sitting in jail, just allows the drama and the victimization to go on, the divide of the country to go on. so, again, just speaking to her answer, is that, look it's a way to kind of move on from it all. to just make the pardon happen, move on from it all, so the country can heal itself. i think there's a lot of validity to that, to be sure. yeah. >> so you think because he is a politician, he should be treated differently with regard to a pardon than the people who are actually already in jail, who are at the capital. >> no, no, not because he's a politician. i think, look, when you look at pardons as a governor, as a president, when you look at pardons, you pardon people for a whole variety of different reasons, potentially. and i think nikki's answer on that is, look

for donald trump. and i spoke with many of donald trump's advisers about this, and they noted that donald trump himself is personally getting involved in this strategy. he's picking up the phone, calling a lot of these voters, trying to encourage them to come out and vote for him on caucus day in january. and i think one of the things that's really been drag here is i've attended many of donald trump's rallies, especially those in iowa over the past several months. and one key strategy that they've also been implementing is trying to teach caucusgoers effectively how to caucus, where to go on election day in january, and also trying to help them provide transportation for getting to the polls on january 15th. and one other thing that i think is also very interesting. i was in a briefing yesterday in florida with some other reporters and some of donald trump's team, and they noted that they actually expect donald trump to potentially secure enough delegates by mid-march in order to clinch the republican

donald trump has basically been a nightmare. we already know this. there was a daily mail poll that recently asked 1000 likely voters what word they would use to describe donald trump. and -- was astonishing. you had things like power, revenge, dictator, dictatorship, success, america, corruption. what do you make of this in terms of the larger narrative, as we are just now inside one month from the iowa caucuses? >> i think are political community, if you will, is kind of running on a parallel track with our cultural and civic community and they are about to run into each other by november. what i mean by that is i don't know that we are ready for a national defining moment we are about to, face the cultural moment we are about to face. we have discussed thus far tonight donald trump's ethos, but he's also the front runner for the republican party. there doesn't appear to be a political penalty for that type of behavior. if anything, there is a reward within republican politics. those hard legal conversations were having, suppose he's convicted in t

another donald trump headline crowds out everything. at the end of the day, when you look at these responses to the supreme court ruling, there's a bit of knuance in there. and the bottom line to all of this is nikki haley has been saying and spoors theaories on this, do you want all of this do you want 2024 to be playing out. the supreme court or should this be about you? the challenges though at least had in the primary base is still very squarely behind donald trump. and this has elevated him throughout the year. one thing i noticed this morning when the florida governor was out campaigning, what if the indictments hadn't happened back in the april. what if bragg hadn't indicted him. it maybe a different race. that's beyond the the point. >> donald trump would not have many victim cards to play if that are with the case. take a lock at this "des moines register" poll. do trump statements make you more likely to support him? it says more likely. 43%, live like vermin in the u.s. need to be root ed out. 23% less likely. immigrants are

but donald trump has not been convicted of insurrection. nor have any of the people who have gone through the system. they have been convicted of the conviction is sedition. so what do you think. >> >> it is hard to argue with judge luttig and the findings. when you look at the section, it appears to apply to him. but hard to agree that the supreme court will say that single state can kick someone off the ballot. think about what would happen if certain states does, certain states didn't. so whether a federalism issue, a political question, i feel like the supreme court will overturn it. >> and so let's also look at the dissents. people are saying that there is no precedent. some say that what is said in the 14th amendment, that presidential yi leelectors shou be able to hold any office. but it doesn't mention the pres presidency. so why so? >> that is why the lower court said it didn't apply to trump because the presidency is not taken. the president's oath is a little different than the oath for the offices enumerated in section 3, so tha

donald trump is definitely going to trial in the case of georgia versus donald trump. donald trump will definitely go to trial the criminal case of new york versus donald trump for business fraud, and donald trump is going to trial in the criminal case of united states of america versus donald j trump in federal court in florida, where the federal judge in that case appointed by donald trump will continue to do everything she possibly can to delay the trial and help donald trump in any way she possibly can. brett kavanaugh won't be doing that for donald trump. brett kavanaugh destroyed donald trump's appeal in writing 25 years ago. there is no more important trump legal news tonight than the words supreme court justice brett kavanaugh wrote 25 years ago. leading off our discussions tonight is andrew weissmann, former fbi general counsel former chief of the criminal division in the eastern district of new york. he's the co-host of the msnbc podcast prosecuting donald trump. also with us, barbara mcquade, former u.s. attorney and law professor at the university of michig

voted for donald trump again, to reelect donald trump for president.p, who had lied about 9/11. congressman loeffler voted for donald trump for president in 2016, and you voted for donald trump again in 2020. congressman loeffler, who now pretends to be deeply offended by lies about 9/11, voted for a presidential candidate who told worse lies about 9/11 and george santos could ever dream of, and nothing will stop. congressman lawler from voting for donald trump for president again if trump is the republican nominee. so thanks to congressman mike lawler for tonight's episode of republicans don't mean what they say. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> [inaudible] [inaudible [inaudible unlike some others, it supports 7 brain health indicators, including mental alertness from one serving. to help keep me sharp. try new neuriva ultra. think bigger. when you're ready to begin treatment for chronic lymphocytic leukemia, calquence helps you do the fighting. and you can do the exploring. you can do the splashing... ...the sightseeing... ...and the playing. calquence is an oral

and neither is donald trump., which makes for comedy, terror, but always surprised with that. >> we even look surprised on your face sometimes, i'm sure you are frequently. i mean, part of the game seems to be, and we've been talking about this this evening, i mean, keeping people outraged, viewers outrage about anything. there's always something to be fearful of, something to be angry about. and of course the great example is what we experience every year, and you just did this hilarious thing on is the war on christmas. and you and one of your daily show colleagues ventures to the fox headquarters. i want to play just a part of this segment. >> fox is saying there is a war on christmas. >> i think there is. >> if i were to say happy holidays, what will that make you feel? >> i am i correct you. >> people say happy holidays. fox is really proud about saying merry christmas. they say there is a war on christmas. >> there is. >> there is a war on christmas? >> you look at all the businesses at the corporations, th

a busy 2024 awaits donald trump indeed. but even as the story continues to right itself in the annals of america's history, will this be the year that donald trump is finally held accountable? joining me now to unpack all of this is my good friend super lawyer, msnbc legal analyst, and criminal defense attorney danny cevallos, as well as micah woltman, president and ceo of the brennan center for justice. he's also the author of the book, the super majority, the year the supreme court divided america. and listen, the last time we were here, you were in studio and we talked. it was before a big game, you've got a couple of days before another big game, and i know that that's why you came to us, to get some good mojo. so we're going to start with you. i want to hear your prediction, danny. is 2020 for the actual year that donald trump gets his comeuppance, or is at least held accountable? >> i'm doing the thing in vegas, like it blackjack. where you always assume the next card is a 10. right? and so to that degree, what i'm do

so, hopefully, if donald trump wins in 2024, that somehow or another that donald had be able to savee to give him some sort of position and he'll be able to use his power within the department of justice in order to exonerate rudy and to get rid of this entire legal nightmare that he is currently in. i mean, that's how dering ranged this entire group is. they are not thinking about the law. they are thinking about how they can skirt the law using donald trump as the base of it. >> i'd say maybe rudy could get a loan from deutsche bank, but i don't think he is a good lending risk. after the break, we are going to dive into donald trump's unprecedented assault on american democracy as he echoes the rhetoric of dictators and he praises autocrats. long-actint you can get every other month. cabenuva is two injections, given by my healthcare provider, every other month. it's really nice not to have to rush home and take a daily hiv pill. don't receive cabenuva if you're allergic to its ingredients or if you taking certain medicines, which may interact with cabenuva. serious side effects in

she is also the author of the book, resistance, how women saved donald trump from, democracy from donald trump. also with us, the former republican congressman, joe walsh. he's the host of the podcast, white flag with joe walsh and the author of the book, f silence. although it's spelled out differently on the book. welcome to both of you. thank you both for being here this morning. jennifer, let me start at the last point i made. ever since the colorado supreme court decision, there has been a lot of writing about whether or not disqualifying donald trump from the ballot because of section three of the 14th amendment would be anti-democratic, in other words, the people should decide. i had a long talk with judge luttig about this yesterday. he strongly object to that perspective. he says, the law is the law, the constitution says what it says. this is not a penalty for donald trump, it's a disqualification. you've heard me is the example, if you're not this high, you can't go on this ride at the amusement park. disqualification. people shouldn't get caught up and whether or not we would

carroll case against donald trump.ould this end up in the supreme court. >>> and now, targeting financial institutions that support the country's military to hit russia from another angle. details on that ahead. >>> this morning, we are getting insight into the new details of president biden's campaign strategy headed into the new year. it won't surprise you that the gop has not picked a candidate yet, but the biden team is setting its sights on president trump as everyone else is looking at the numbers as the inevitable nominee. part of the plan is to convince voters in key states that trump is a threat to democracy. key political analyst for the associated press simon kim is joining us now. you know, as biden is heading into 2024, it is going to take two tacts, and one is reproductive health, and the attack and assault on that, and the other is really about the democracy in this country. how do you see them tackling this, because it is two things that polling wise he is doing pretty well in, correct? >> right. they c

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would you be okay for a pardon for donald trump?derstand nikki's argument in that, look, everybody wants to move on from the drama and the chaos of donald trump. we are all so tired of it. we are all so worn out of it as americans so the idea that look, having a former president sitting in jail allows the drama and victimization to go on and the divide of the country to go on. again, just speaking to her answer is that, look, it's a way to move on from it all, right? to make the pardon happen and move on from it all so the country can heal itself and i think there's a lot of validity to that to be sure. >> so you think because he is a politician he should be treated differently with regard to a pardon than the people who are already in jail who were at the capitol? >> no. no not because he's a politician. i think, look, when you look at pardons as a governor and you pardon people for all different reasons. there's a huge help to healing the country in putting this thing behind us and not be the divider that he continues to be that k

fifth donald trump, and this donald trump will one way or another depend on the people he surrounds with, at least in the first period of his presidency, because we must understand that trump himself, as an impulsive and not systematic person, very much depends on those who ensure the functioning of the state machine in making decisions, and this is also an important point. many say, this donald trump the fifth will resemble the third, because he will not reckon with the republican establishment, because he will surround himself with the most radical people. people from the republican party, but these people, if it even comes to that, also, when they come to the offices in the white house, they will be connected in one way or another with the responsibility that anyone who appears in such offices always has, and they will know the fate of donald trump's associates who recklessly followed all his whims and are now spending months in .. trials and get convictions, they will still know that the presidency of donald trump will end, even if you imagine the most improbable scenario, simpl

repudiating rulings in favor of donald trump. that's what happened today with respect to mark meadows. why do i say closing ranks? one of the things that the judge here did, the judge who wrote this is an extremely conservative judge. chief judge prior, very well respected. he is completely in line with a recent d. c. circuit decision making exactly the same point, decided by what was made by a liberal judge. and judge prior goes out of his way to cite approvingly who? the district judge in d. c. judge chutkan. you have a sense of a uniformity of views regardless of who appointed the person, regardless of their political persuasion, that they aren't tolerating the idea that either there will be presidential immunity, there will be executive privilege, but they are rejecting this idea that you are running a campaign, you somehow have a cloak of white house immunity and i'm premature that's going to protect you. so they denied mark meadows claim here but in language that bodes very, very poorly for the claims by donald trump that h

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nothing about donald trump has changed. do believe that our congressional leaders and those who are running and running for reelection should actually care more about protecting the very foundations of our nation that we are actually seeing. >> you guys are making my job very easy tonight, i appreciated, because each of your comments go into another conversation i want to have. danielle, i want to pick up on the theme of what we were just talking about. someone shows you who they are, and tells you who they are, believe them. donald trump has telegraphed everything about who he is and what he's going to do and then he has followed up, and he's done it. we've seen it over and over again with dobbs, we've seen it and so many other instances, what does it take, and what will it take, what is going to be the thing that makes the american electorate understand that this man is who he says he is? >> a conscious media that decides to not use donald trump as entertainment. and for ratings. the reality is that in 2016 we thought tha

what's donald trump up to and saying now? >> reporter: donald trump is running the campaign the way he wants to run his campaign. as you noted, he is going to a fox town hall, skipping the debate for a fund raiser in florida. then he's going to sit through testimony in his civil hearing in new york. on monday he is expected to testify in that trial. this is coming at a time we are starting to hear alarm bells being raised. you mentioned his rhetoric intensifying. it's not so much that his rhetoric is intensifying. he's been saying the same thing since he announced back in november that he was going to be running for president. but people are really starting to pay attention, likely because we are just six weeks out from the iowa caucus, and he still holds a commanding lead in the polls, not just in iowa but also nationwide. that is causing many people, critics, republicans, and democrats, to wonder what a trump second term would look like. when you look through the rhetoric of what trump is saying, they believe it is a threat

when donald trump, it helps him. he is convinced his followers, many in the republican party that these are politically motivated. he is the victim and he plays the card over and over again with great success. >> we have former republican congressman with us. thank you so much for being with us. your reaction to this ruling? >> as gloria said, he is a professional victim. i've never seen a politician or a man or a human being be such a victim and so much complaining. this just builds into that. from a political perspective, the way i think of things, i think this is probably good for donald trump. it probably builds into that whole narrative that the whole system is after me. the thing i struggle with and the reason i can't give a definitive answer is that the constitution exist for a reason. as not a constitutional lawyer, have to leave it up to the judges on the supreme court to decide what this means when it comes to donald trump. these things are put into place not because they are anti- democratic. they knew, th

donald trump obviously doesn't want to do that. he wants to drag things out as long as possible related to his criminal case and trial set for march, he doesn't want it to happen at that time. but jack smith, the special counsel, the justice department, they have made arguments about why the supreme court should look at the immunity question now, saying it's in the public interest and told the supreme court you're going to have to deal with this at some point or another. right now there's an intermediary, an appeals court in d.c. that is scheduling arguments, they're ready to look at the immunity question, does donald trump have immunity because he was president at the time after the election. can he go to trial because he was already tried in congress related to his impeachment, can he be tried in court too as a criminal defendant. there is an appeals court looking at that in january with oral arguments so the question on the table for the supreme court is do they wait to see what the lower court says or are they ready to go now?

people can say this is just donald trump being donald trump. it sounds as though, and it just is the case, this is what he believes. >> and he's operating a political context where he's confident most voters are going to agree with him. the way the phrase i often here republicans use to blow off everything trump says is mean the tweets. he had some mean tweets, but lock at the policies he had. when he's talking about immigration, are they thinking about his quote or eric adams saying new york is fall ing apart. are being held and protests about that. are think thinking about chaos. they are going to be ready for me no matter what i say. he does get led into the cul-de-sacs where something is discussed on tv and he talks about it. but where people are talking about immigration, no matter how he talks about it, is a good day. a lot of these ideas, bulding a wall, look at the polling from when he left office. democrats are trying to change the conversation. he's very confident now that no matter what, people will quietly agree with him. >> and nia

donald trump was not so charged. do you think that if you're jack smith right now, former prosecutor andrew weissmann, are you rethinking whether or not, now that trump has been adjudicated to participated in insurrection by two colorado courts due rethink whether he should face charge under the insurrection act after this? >> i don't think we're going to see that for a couple reasons, regardless of whether you think he should have been charged with this initially at this point to add that charge will just delay the case, so i don't see that. but also, i think will fuel the -- the attacks on jack smith and the biden administration of being political because they will say you did this solely so that he could not run, as opposed to for criminal purposes. in other words you're tying it directly to the election, which isn't the reason for the case. it was, you know, i think jack is looking at this very much like a criminal prosecutor. and i think that was part of the initial reason also as to why it was charged the way i

and now, he still needs donald trump, yes.international support. and that is good news for him, unfortunately. >> okay, but perception is, russia is doing better, putin has support. he did not have support before, right? russian, you know, state run media over there has been telling the russian people that they have been winning from the get-go on the ground vladimir putin is not winning. >> yes, obviously. but there is a stalemate. he is not winning, he is not losing. and actually, he does not mean victory. he needs the war because he needs the war to mobilize the nation. he got rid of all the opposition leaders, all the independent media, everyone who's not supporting the war. so, he doesn't need any good news. and he is expecting the international support for ukraine to decline. and actually, the best news for him is when he hears that american convoys are not in a hurry to help ukraine. >> all right, last question, one of the things he's doing, there has been a tremendous amount of casualties in the russian military. he is

this is what donald trump does. it is not donald trump who is in jail at the moment. of those people he couraged to run up to capitol hill and try to interfere with the peaceful transfer of power. it is not donald trump who went to jail for the lying, he did in his business. it is michael cohen. his lawyer and fixer at the time who went to jail for that. donald trump is a poison on our political system. and anyone who stays close enough to him, either has to run away like their clothes are on fire or they're going to wind up in much more trouble than he's ever been in. but, jake, the clock is ticking. his time is coming. and donald trump, i believe, will be convicted of crimes that are worthy of jail come this spring and he knows it and that is why he's getting crazier every day. >> new jersey governor chris christie, thank you so much for your time today. appreciate it. >>> coming up, he's considering a third party presidential run. joe manchin of west virginia joins me exclusively next. >>> and abortion rights this week. that is coming up. >>> welcome back to "state

we'll be back. >>> happening now, donald trump is on the move. we saw his motorcade leave trump tower and any minute he will arrive at this courthouse in manhattan for his $250 million civil fraud trial where he's already been found liable for fraud. if trump holds true to form, he will make a campaign speech on the way in. this will be his first chance to comment publically about the debate he did not attend last night where his main opponents largely ignored him. there are now just 39 days to go until iowa. according to the latest national poll donald trump is ahead of his rivals by 40 points. the question now are we seeing new evidence this morning that anything in the latest debate did anything to change that? did vivek ramaswamy espousing fringe conspiracy theories do anything to change that. did ron desantis and nikki haley going back and forth do anything to change that? did the few tempered and hedged mentions of trump, except for chris christie, do anything to change that? >> do i think he was kidding when he said he was a dig cater. all

i want to be very clear here, donald trump, we've done a lot of reporting on this as otherout lets, donald trump has a lot of plans for the justice department, not just reports, he said this publicly repeatedly that if he were re-elected he would want to bring the department of justice under presidential control, give the executive branch far more power with that and he would use the justice department to go after his enemies. i think that's very important. you mentioned there's an intensifying scrutiny on a lot of these second-term plans, i don't think it's his rhetoric that's intensifying this is the same type of language that donald trump has been using since he announced that he was running for re-election last november. donald trump is dominating in the polls, he's not just doing well in the early states, he's doing well in polls nationwide, leading a lot of people to realize, what could a second term look like, what are we actually -- what could the country be facing if he's back in office? >> you talk about his standing within the race right now, very much looks like the general ele

tusk, what he did, he returned, donald tusk, returned not only to poland, and therefore into european this is a very serious story, yes, and i suggest reviewing a small plot, so to speak, about donald tusk, who he is, what he is being eaten with , and what it might mean for ukraine in general, let's see together, let's watch together, donald tusk is a well-known personality not only in poland, but also throughout europe. the politician was born on april 22, 1957 in the family of a craftsman in the city of gdańsk, studied history at the humanities faculty of the university there, where he organized the first branch of the independent trade union solidarity, spoke out against the ruling communist regime, in 2001 became a co-founder of the civic platform party, which in the course of parliamentary elections of the same year won 65 mandates. and became the largest opposition faction in the diet, was a presidential candidate in the 2005 elections from this party, but in the second round lost to lech kaczyński with the law and justice party, winning almost 46% of the vote. in november 2007,

. ♪ >>> donald trump dominating right now.his is the picture being painted from new polling out this morning, polling in georgia, polling in michigan and in iowa. >>> will a president of harvard be forced out of her job for what she said about genocide before congress? major developments expected before the end of the day. >>> and a trail of destruction in tennessee, six people are dead after multiple tornadoes ripped through the northern and central part of the state, including the nashville area. one of those tornadoes traveling more than 40 miles on the ground. we are following these major developing stories and many more all coming in right now right here to "cnn news central." ♪ >>> this morning there is some new insight into where the presidential race stands right now and also where it may be headed with new cnn polling out this morning from two key battleground states. donald trump is leading president biden in both in georgia has a five point lead in michigan in this hypothetical matchup. trump is now a ten-point edge

it's not about the donald trump case. i think there is over 300 cases in the country involving the statute. some of us might remember the enron meltdown involving accounting firms, basically a big mess in their documentation and financial statements, congress passed a law after that basically tightening that and part of the law says it makes it illegal to obstruct an official proceeding, so the department of justice said counting electoral college votes, the president is under an official proceeding and if you storm the capital or engage in efforts to stop the vote counting, that's obstructing the ultimate sacred passing of the power from one president to another. the problem is if you go to a different part of the law, it talks about documents, it's oxidant records and the argument is essentially when you talk about enron and accounting firms, you're talking about a paper trail. what happened at the capitol and january 6, the people that have been indicted relating to that, that's not a paper trail. two of the four count

he does not want to be a bridge from a first term donald trump term to a second donald trump term. he wants a bridge past donald trump. he believes that work is unfinished, and for the democratic party, he remains. there is some criticism of him internally, but he's stronger than any democrat or. now >> without a doubt. amy, joe biden's campaign message to voters are now is starting to focus on things like imagine life under trump in 2025. if you think the last presidential election, scores of people came out the vote against donald trump, so is that a good shot of you for joe biden to use again? >> absolutely, i think you have to do two things. you have to remind people that you can lead competently. i think biden will continue to talk about that message, with all of the things that they have been able to pass and basic competent leadership. the american public want to. and also to remind people of the chaos of donald trump, how we all woke up every morning and wondered what he would tweet today, or will kind of work you would get us into. these are the types of things he has to c

but does that mean that it will help donald trump?e have to wait to see what happens in the big colorado case. what happens in the case and presidential immunity. what happens with the federal obstruction statute. if the court says that there's presidential immunity to criminal prosecution than i think that we know we are at least the majority of the court is going. because the president clearly tells us that that immunity does not exist for criminal prosecutions. so i know that we hate waiting but we have to wait, not if it is conservative but if it is deeply pro trump. >> we will hope that we do the right thing. thank you, i really appreciate your time. as i said earlier to our guests, i know it is a holiday weekend so i appreciate every quality that you spend with us. thank you. just ahead we will switch gears and look at the united states role in what is happening in gaza. stay with us. ening in gaza stay with us stay with us i'm orlando and i'm living with hiv. i don't have to worry about daily hiv pills because i switched to eve

donald trump is serious about overturning obamacare. democratic congressman robert garcia joins me live onset to react to that and more. i am ayman mohyeldin, let's get started. >>> tonight, we begin with donald trump's legal chaos, and how it is quite schedule is soon going to collide with his political calendar. on the civil side, trump's fraud trial as soon wrapping up. the judge has already found trump's two adult sons and the trump organization liable for inflating the values of real estate properti to get favorable loan deals. the trl will determine the damages and whether trump in his two sons can every run a business again in new york. trump is expected to take the stand as the final witness on december 11th with closing arguments scheduled for january the 11th. that is just four days before the iowa caucus. and then, this second defamation lawsuit from e. jean carroll. that trial begins january 15th, the very same day as the iowa caucus. and here is where the problems begin. because it is one thing for voters to go to the polls

every time donald trump gets indicted, they back up donald trump. they reinforce his messaging.we see donald trump get indicted and we wonder why it hasn't moved his poll numbers. because republican candidates haven't given republican voters a place to go. this is maybe their last opportunity to give those voters a place to go. we've seen good debate nights from nikki haley. but essentially nikki haley did better than ron desantis or ron desantis did better than asa hutchinson. which leads to the question who cares. they need to make voters care and they do it by understanding that the nomination does not go around donald trump, it goes through him. >> and we both know that the conversation is about what a second trump term could look like. you know, the "atlantic" has devoted its entire issue, they called it a warning. liz cheney out on a book tour talking about the threat he would pose in her view to democracy. and then last night with sean hannity, donald trump was pretty straightforward about what he would do. he was asked directly. and i think hannity was trying to get him

donald doesn't know what's going on. and donald doesn't speak any other language other than english. so i promise you that there are people in this country involved with the immigration service that know exactly what language these people are speaking. for the most part, the folks that are trying to enter the country, and -- look, like everybody, i have issues with what's going on regarding immigration. i have issues with what's going on in israel right now or korko ukraine that i'm not happy about. we certainly know what language these folks are coming in and speaking from san salvador. it's probably spanish, all right. i mean, it's just mnonsensical when he says these things. what it's designed to do, it's designed to create a bigger divide between americans and those that are seeking asylum. look, what's going on right now at the borders needs to be corrected. but this is not an issue that started last year or under the biden administration. it's been going on for 50 years, and as it relates like right now in israel,

and he sees donald trump as a threat to that. what's interesting about this is that he clearly believes that he's the best person to take on donald trump, even though the majority of democrats in our polling and others believe he's too old to do it. and you know, i think right now there is no turning around for joe bidenomis would spell trouble for that, but he did say tonight he doesn't think that his se we wi. thank you both. >> caitlin -- thank you. >> we have some major developments on a story that we've been covering since day one here on the source. on capitol hill, the senator who single-handedly blocked hundreds of military promotions has now caved. it is not over though, there is anger over what senator tommy tuberville did. we will be joined by one of his fellow senators who fought to make this happen. what he told donors about why he's running again. first time i connected with kim, she told me that her husband had passed. and that he took care of all of the internet connected devices in the home. i told her, “i'm here