they know new cyber attacks, julia, you mentioned the history on it, russian jets testing american air defenses. so at what point are americans, regardless of their views of donaldrump as a person or politically, domestically, at what point do americans say, this is other largest nuclear power in the world. they're out here, according to our own cia veteran and a lot of other reports facing credible allegations. they messed with the last election. they're trying to mess with the next one. at what point does this look like a clear and present danger being crowded out by all the other things understandably take our attention in. >> right. and at what point does it target a very key part of donald trump's base, and a big part of republicans' messaging, patriotism, supporting the troops. if kneeling during the national anthem is disrespectful about the troops, what is ignoring intelligence that our troops are being hunted for money, sent to them from the kremlin? at what point does that rise in the minds of trump voters? or voters in general? >> very well put. larry, your thoughts? >> you raised a great point. we can't look at this in isolation. we need to look at t