two of the most influential voices in that process are frank scully and donald kaho. scully was a writer for "variety" magazine who publishes in 1950 where he really focuses in on the story of flying saucers that crash in the american southwest. where did that crash take place? >> roswell. >> not roswell, but thank you for falling into the trap. in fact, scully says that they crashed in aztec, new mexico. neither scully nor kaho ever mention roswell. i'm going to talk a little bit later about why that is. scully says saucers crash in aztec, and not only did skaauce crash, scully says, but bodies are found. three to four-foot tall alien beings, really cementing the modern idea of the little green men comes out of scully's books. he also claims that the saucers come not from mars but from venus. the 1950s are really kind of a key time in a mars/venus battle over where these flying saucers come from. scully loses popularity after 1952 because "true" magazine publishes and extensive article debunking his entire book, pointing out the fact most of -- or really all of scull