i worked at the kansas city federal reserve with donald kohn who became chairman, vice chairman of the fed. very good public official. and i was at the congress for 11 years working with democrats, and i worked originally under henry of milwaukee but during the '90s i worked with henry b. gonzalez from san antonio. i knew him very well in the '70s and he asked me to come back and help him after he was elected chair. and i worked in the reagan administration. and it had interesting because i received my ph.d from milton friedman, and worked for the democrats that and i might add that both sides of the aisle, they're interested in my book at just earlier this month, in october, ron paul, congressman ron paul has subcommittee now of the -- he asked me to come and testify. he loves my book. >> but getting back, what was henry b. gonzalez, what was his beef with alan greenspan's? >> when making their, we just decided, he had no beef with them. although he just had investigated other things like the keating five. when i got there and returned to the congress in 92, he said look, i don't care