donald lacy will be there. he has beenour guest. i was moved deeply with that, how you had to meet the man. chris was his name. >> christopher smith. >> he was in tears too as you cried about the loss and the terrible situation. >> yes. in fact, and i left it in the car, i usually have the picture of her that i take everywhere. they didn't show it in the shot. but before he came in, i was holding it up. when he walked in, that was the first thing he saw. he broke down. it was genuine. even prior to me meeting him, he wrote a letter to me expressing his remorse for what happened and how much he loved my daughter and he was talking about how he remembered her in elementary school and this and that. he is out now and i am hoping he stays on the right path. >> amen to that. we will talk more in the next segment about that and the whole nature of forgiveness. >> yes, sir. >> that's always powerful. >> yes, sir. >> i hope you have been with us. we'll continue this in the next segment with donald lacy. >>> all the greats have talked about