diane sawyer goes head-to-head with donald rumsfeld in a tv first. the former secretary of defense opens up as never before. the controversies, the wars, the wmds and the big question what did he get wrong? plus, the man whose public face has been defiance, gets emotional for the first time during his private times at home dur his tenure at the pentagon. surprising interview starts right now. >> from the global resources of abc news, with terry moran, cynthia mcfadden and bill weir in new york city, this is "night line" february 7, 2011. >> so what's your reaction to the don rumsfeld book? >> well i think i have seen that or at least parts of that. you mean -- i know what i think about the book, i like it. >> no, the way it's treated. >> the way it's treated? >> trumpets blowing? >> sounds like it's hype. i guess they want people to watch their television show, why they do it that way. that's -- that's not -- the book is characterized quite differently by other people as -- as a serious, historical book that people interested in history will read. >>

well i leave it up to history to decide well after the suicide bombing in damascus this week donald rumsfeld former. minister in his office praised it they said he called it a martyr event he said this is the first suicide bombing we should call a martyr event so the same thing could be said if you look in the the treasury department are they saying these sort of suicide bombings are ok that these sort of you know reckless destroying of the global economy is is a martyr event but bob diamond is a suicide banker jamie dimon is a suicide banker lloyd blankfein is a suicide banker they want to blow themselves and their institutions up in the name of an ideology market fundamentalism with the pre sept of infinite growth and to obliterate millions using interest rate apartheid that's their ideology their terrorist. well in fact max it's just a little game apparently according to this story h.s.b.c. is accused of playing fast and loose with the u.s. banking rules now any normal person ninety nine point nine nine nine nine nine nine percent of you out there if you played fast and loose with banking

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in two thousand and three one year before the battle of fallujah donald rumsfeld then defense secretary made a reference before the u.s. congress to the use of a new weapon the hellfire missile. the new missile can take out the first floor of a building without damaging the floors above and is capable of reaching around corners striking enemy forces that hiding or bunkers this declaration went largely unnoticed but it heralded the development of a new missile that would be tested during the early days of the war in iraq. some experts did react to rumsfeld declaration one of them was arms researcher di williams. this scientist is a member of the un institute for disarmament research. he claims the hellfire missile is a new generation bomb it was used several times during the battle of fallujah the experts call it a thermobaric weapons. they were using small tactical weapons that they wanted these new thermobaric weapons which are specifically designed for very local killing and what they do and if some of these are right in the target of it they just get fried the it is so high temperatu

earlier hearings in the committee and during the last hearing and former secretary of defense donald rumsfeld who testified against the treaty. so i raise the question, and secretary rumsfeld, how we deal with the situation and how american companies are testifying as we have today that without certainty they would not be prepared to invest the billions of dollars that are required and thus that would not be the creation of the jobs nor the degree of energy independence or the other attributes. his response, and i hope i have justice to it, he observed that while businesses always prefer certainty, we have uncertain investments all of the time when they believe the potential benefits justify the risks. on that basis he suggests to the united states companies that saw potential benefits from deep sea bed activities then go right ahead and make those investments even if the united states did not ratify that convention. there is no impediment and they're doing so outside the convention rules. secondly, observe u.s. companies might consider entering into joint ventures with companies from countri

withheld from his attorney when they had filed a torture lawsuit against former secretary of defense donald rumsfeld and other bush administration officials now jason and is there any what kind of answers were the interrogators getting while they were interrogating these drug detainees. again you know these are these are questions that very important questions that we just don't have the answers to i mean what what the report says is that it didn't go into that area simply looked at whether or not the allegations that detainees had made that they were given medication or injections such as truth serum l.s.d. p.c.p. whether there was any they can substantiate that any veracity to those claims however in the case of one detainees that we identified in the report. you know he said that his interrogator essentially asked him that or he confessed to his interrogator that he was a member of al qaida and we also know that this detained he was injected with how do all we also know from the report that the inspector general determined that this detainees was diagnosed as borderline with borderline personalit

you've got -- donald rumsfeld getting patted down at the airport. henry kissinger. that's mind numbing that that's happening. >> just to briefly follow-up. there was a national academy of sciences study done a few years ago that recommended a partial random, partial i'll use the term profile even though it's politically loaded. combination of random and profiling with a partial sample of the total traveling public as the most cost effective approach to support security. >> there's a host of things we can do from the intelligence threat-based perspective on that. and i would point out for the people in the audience who don't know, even if you're in the pre-check. i go through pre-check when i fly delta. there's a reason we can do that with other airlines. i don't get that on u.s. air. no offense ms. alonso, which i fly regularly too. there's no reason why that shouldn't be the case. no matter which airline you're flying. but there's a lot of other thing that we can do to get these people out of line. that's what i want to emphasize. i want us to be a much smarter, mu

routine flu shot with truth was truth serum so what happened there is that you know jose pedia sued donald rumsfeld other bush administration officials for his treatment and torture the supreme court recently rejected that his attorney did not have this report did not have this evidence when they took this case to the supreme court or even to the court the various a lower courts court of appeals which rejected it had they had this report it certainly would have been interesting to see how they reacted how those courts reacted to the evidence but the release of the report and you see it becomes right after the supreme court rejected it i mean this definitely definitely seems an ethical and many respects if you are forcibly drugging people be they detainees i mean you still if you're a military doctor you're still a doctor right i'm assuming they probably didn't know the patients history when they were doing these things and then from you know what i understand there was an ethics committee that actually approved all this and said that that it was ok would just seems absolutely crazy to me you know a

donald rumsfeld gets patted down at the airport. henry kissinger -- mind-numbing that that kind of stuff is happing >> tbry owthis udwoeagoch recommended a partial random partial -- i will use the term profiling even though is politically loaded but combination of random and profiling partialample of t's host of things we can do for the threat based perspective on that. i want to point out to the people who don't know even if you are in the reject categy. i go thrgh free whe idhatherrles i don't get that onu.s. serve. i fly pretty regularly too. there is no reason why . i fly pretty regularly too. there is no reason why that shld be the case no matter which aie are yin therarlo o ts ano g t people out of line. i want this to have the public confiden and we don't and that is a concern to me as a pomathhelioe t cdeinhe t you have been a good panel. very thought-provoking. greaideas and i appreciate your time for preparing for your testimony and your attendance adjrn.nd with tha thiheing [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversatio

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involving national security related matters including issues brought before secretary of defense donald rumsfeld. from 2004-07 he served on the united nations commission for the protection of human rights. he has received numerous awards, including one for the best maritime article, as well as the burton award in 2011. he is a prolific writer and commentary in. you have doubt the seen his articles in the "wall street journal," and the "new york times" and elsewhere. he is a graduate of georgetown university where he received his m.a. in soviet affairs as well as his law school degree. please welcome him. [applause] >> thank you. thank you for reminding me of how old i really am. going back to professional endeavors in the 1980's. i am torn about how i feel about the case. on one level i agree with randy, that the commerce clause in this, or the improper clause portions of this case are superb not only in terms of the separation of powers, bridges, and particularly the sovereignty of the system. randy has done a great job covering debt. i would add that it is not only the big picture, but the lan

. >> to pair paraphrase donald rumsfeld, you go to the election with the rules that you have, not the rules you wish you had. >> jennifer: $20 million. >> with another $10 million in commitments. >> jennifer: he's raised about $62 million for romney. his donors aren't afraid to step up. >> that's right. and also because they stand to make a lot of money if mitt romney gets elected. the thing i feel good about even though we raised less money, the money we've spent has had a measurable impact. >> jennifer: we'll talk about that in a second. i want to talk about a very large contributor from the san francisco area to democrats in the past, sitting on the sidelines. here in march. susie tompkins buell. listen to what she said. >> i'm not giving up on him. i just want him to be his best and take care of the future. that's what i care about. for his children, my grandchildren, all of our children. >> jennifer: so her whole point was she wanted him to speak more forcefully about the environment and clean energy, et cetera. you know, i don't know if you've met with her or if that's a lost ca

p you've got donald rumsfeld getting patted down at the airport. henry kissinger. you know, that's mind numbing that that kind of stuff's happening. yes, sir. >> just to briefly follow up, there was a national academy of sciences study done a few years ago which recommended a partial random, partial -- i'll use the term profiling even though it's politically loaded, but combination of partial and random with the partial total of the public as the most cautious approach. >> there's a host of things we can do from the intention, threat-based perspective on that. and i would point out for the people in the audience who don't know, even if you're in the precheck category which i am when i fly on delta which goes back to your point, there's a reason we do that with other a airports as well, because i don't get that on u.s. air -- no offense, ms. alone so -- but there's no reason why that shouldn't be the case no matter which airline you're flying. but there's a lot of other things that we can do to get these people out of the line, and that's what i want to emphasize be