>> donald rumsfeld. >> yes, the so famous donald rumsfeld. he got to that before i did. he was correct in saying, although he sounded a bit befuddled when he did, because he was worried about a war wasn't going so well. but the point of fact that's a good question are there limits to our ignorance because that is a more important limited than the limit for a knowledge. >> use in your book ignorance that when you get together with other scientists you talk about things you don't know. >> sure. am i famous quote is from marie curie getting her second graduate degree and a lesser a letter to her brother that said something to the effect one never seems to notice what has been done one only cares about what remains to be done and i think that is the attitude that drives scientists along and gets us in the lab early in the morning and keeps his sleep at night and moves us along. we don't care so much with everybody knows. that is done. let's go on to the next. what do we need to know and why do we need to know it and what will be the best thing to know and so forth. >> page 2

right now, former secretary of defense, donald rumsfeld is swinging, saying congress is failing to do. why? we spoke with the secretary rumsfeld earlier today. mr. secretary, nice to see you, sir. good to be with you. >> greta: big fight over sequestration. what do you think? i think it's mindless. the idea of sequestering that amount of many hundreds of billions of dollars is fundamentally wrong. it's poor government. and if it does fall the way it looks like it could, and it hits the department of defense, it would be a monumental mistake. >> greta: you may monumental mistake,ed about government. it was agreed to by both parties a year ago. were they relinquishing their obligation to the people, being lazy? how do you describe it? everyone knew this day would come. >> sure t. hasn't come, though. it's close. but it isn't there yet. what they did was kick the can down the road, not very well or very far. they haven't performed their cpms in the congress of the united states, to pass responsible budgets that are thoughtful and intended. this is a stop-gap excuse for a fail tower do th

. >> what is your analysis of what is happening and what donald rumsfeld were called old europe? >> old europe is indulging inclusions of the welfare state. they have all accepted dependence on centralized government. and that has discouraged the value of the assets. when you destroy the value of your assets, that ultimately, ultimately the human being is the one who makes your economy go. work effort and what needs to be depreciated in those assets, though in the liabilities become impossible. but if you unleash the assets of your economy, allow the stock market to boom and thrive again, then, all of a sudden, these liabilities that seem impossible today, become manageable in the future. >> bally's, when you see the fights in congress over the debt ceiling or tax rates or balanced budget, what would you like to see congress do, and how important is raising the debt ceiling? >> i don't even say. that is all just a kind of fit of the absurd. what we need to do is to flatten our tax rates and deregulate. you know, in this book, i tell the stories of new zealand, israel, a number of

shrinking from this economic of enterprise >> what is your analysis of what is happening and what donald rumsfeld would call old europe? >> of your falling from the indulgence collusions of the welfare state. they have all accepted dependence on centralized government. that is -- that has destroyed the value of assets. the human beings who would make the economy go. investments in creations and work effort. when you depreciate those assets and liabilities become impossible. the assets of your economy, allow the stock market to boom and realistic to thrive again. of a sudden these liabilities that seem impossible. >> when you see the fight in congress, what would you like to see congress? how important is raising the debt ceiling? >> that is all just a kind of theater of the absurd. what we need to do is to the flat and our tax rate and to regulate. in this book i tell this story. new zealand, is real, a number of countries which have faced crises far exceed our current predicament. new zealand is one of my favorites. it was the pen richest country in the world in the 1930's. by the 1980's it was

information that we were told several years ago by secretary of defense former secretary of defense donald rumsfeld proved not to be true and it turns out that that even the pentagon at the time knew that a lot of this information was untrue but liz i gotta say though the most damning evidence and some of the most memorable things that have come out of wiki leaks have to do with that video that was released collateral murder let me just show you part of that. but about. the right. of the video of course showing two apache pilots two members of the u.s. military on board are trading war like a video game in some cases killing several civilians and it's all documented on camera including two journalists from reuters ritter was told it was a very different situation that had happened so that was really interesting and it's very different to see something like that in front of your face as opposed to sort of scrolling through all these documents certainly that was one of the most significant revelations that wiki leaks has given to the world certainly that video and some of these document documents the

also a trove of evidence led to kind of showing to what extent of former secretary of defense donald rumsfeld and his you know some of his high commanders actually knowingly lied to time and time again about the situation in iraq we're talking about the sectarian violence there we're talking about the threat of iraq about live when we talk about some of these revelations that have come out perhaps the most significant one really was that video that was released the video is called collateral murder and essentially shows two u.s. military pilots treating war as a video game killing several civilians on the ground including two reuters journalists i think we have a clip of it here. but all of. the right. so again liz i mean it's one thing to have it several pages of documents that you know journalists then comb through page at a time it's a whole nother thing entirely to see this video a forty minute video showing you know the attitude of these pilots it's something that perhaps if you know somebody in the military is unspoken but this was made very public not only for the u.s. but for the enti

republican circles if you look at you know one of nixon's chief celt one of nixon's counsels was donald rumsfeld rumsfeld's assistant was dick cheney roger ailes rand media for richard nixon starting in sixty so so many of the people today came out of that whole nixon operation so that they learned those lessons firsthand they had to get him out of the hole that's absolutely incredible. thanks so much thank you so much to really really appreciate. it. welcome to the capital account i'm lauren lyster. just put a picture of me when i was like nine years old a good job a true. incessant get of friends that i love driving hip hop music and.

the only one janice karpinski who blew the whistle on donald rumsfeld sanctioning of torture at abu ghraib was charged with shoplifting for example many many such examples and the foreign office now insists that it didn't mean to say that it would storm the embassy to go in and arrest what do you make of of william hague's comments and of the foreign office attitude in general. officers. here in its attempts to back down because it's found itself so diplomatically isolated it most certainly did say about both in person and in writing to the government of ecuador. at the very moment it was saying about fifty policemen moved into the building but not into the actual plant containing the ecuadorian embassy but moved into the fire scapes so it was a plain text and i've spoken to people in the foreign office. we were involved in the discussion of whether or not to make but so there's no doubt whatsoever that this was a deliberate to d.h. should be on the convention on behalf of this foreign office and the causes backfired spectacularly because the whole world is at the age by this and what do y

republican circles if you look at you know one of nixon's chief celt one of nixon's counsels was donald rumsfeld rumsfeld's assistant was dick cheney roger ailes ran media for richard nixon starting in sixty eight so so many of the people today came out of that whole nixon operation. so that they were in those lessons first hand they'd get him out of the meeting it's absolutely worth more water thanks so much when you so much talk about it but really appreciate it. i'm a former soviet soldier. war prisoner. brain her. husband . a father. an alien in the beginning stages. a son. a brother. an alien in ukraine. craving for my only. true science technology innovation all the rest of elements from around russia we've dumped a few jerks covered.

former secretary of defense donald rumsfeld talking about the way he shes -- weather around the way thee united states telling greta van susteren what worries him the most. >> the thing that worries me the most about today is the projection of america as a country that is weak and that is behaving in a way that is not going to be good for our future. you cannot have that kind of debt and those kinds of deficits and not send a signal to the world that we are be haying a lot -- behaving a lot like europe. that model is not a model that works. you can't be cutting half a trillion dollars out of the defense budget and have sequestration come along and not recognize you are telling the world america is pulling back and won't be a contributor for peace in the world. what country is going to check in vacuums get filled. >> talking the security leaks like the ones following the bin laden raid. he says those are damaging to our country's relationships with our allies overseas. >> the time is 18 after the top of the hour. coming up it is a case of lawn and order in one town. residents could be fa

that is secretary mckale and secretary donald rumsfeld. they are two gentlemen that i hold in high esteem, not just because of what they have done and who they are, but because i have seen them at work and i have seen their dedication to this nation. secretary paul mchale is a former congressman from the state of pennsylvania. he served on numerous positions and the most relevant to this is the was the co-founder of the national guard and reserve components caucus in the house. he came to work at the pentagon. i will be honest, i was the military assistance to the secretary of defense at the time and i said, a former congressman, this could be painful. as it turns out, he is an incredible gentleman, easy to work with. easy to work for. he wants you to perform properly. the happiest i ever saw him was when he recruited me to come work for him and then shook hands and said i will see you in about six months, i'm going off to put on my marine uniform and he went back to afghanistan. already retired from the marine corps reserve, recalled to d

right now, former secretary of defense, donald rumsfeld is swinging, saying congress is failing to do its job. why? we spoke with the secretary rumsfeld earlier today. mr. secretary, nice to see you, sir. good to be with you. >> greta: big fight over sequestration. what do you think? i think it's mindless. the idea of sequestering that amount of many hundreds of billions of dollars is fundamentally wrong. it's poor government. and if it does fall the way it looks like it could, and it hits the department of defense, it would be a monumental mistake. >> greta: you may monumental mistake,ed about government. it was agreed to by both parties a year ago. were they relinquishing their obligation to the people, being lazy? how do you describe it? everyone knew this day would come. >> sure t. hasn't come, though. it's close. but it isn't there yet. what they did was kick the can down the road, not very well or very far. they haven't performed their cpms in the congress of the united states, to pass responsible budgets that are thoughtful and intended. this is a stop-gap excuse for a fail tow

i met donald rumsfeld at oeo. he became defense secretary. host: office of economic opportunity. guest: we stay in touch. unlike lawyers and doctors and other professionals, what we do is right out there. they see what you've done. some people i got to know very well. i got in terrible trouble. after the trouble was over -- host: name someone. guest: the deputy director of operations at the cia. i wrote the story that got him indicted and he was eventually convicted. had a re-trial. everybody was talking to him, and he never answered a phone call. and when the rest of the press went away, i introduced myself. and he said, six months after this is over, give me a call. and so he was convicted, and he was pardoned in december. june i called him up and we had breakfast at the shoreham and became good friends. host: what did he do wrong? he was pardoned. guest: he was pardoned by george bush along with everybody else in iran-contra. he had not told what he knew about the payments to get the hostages out of iran. he knew it. he was at a hearing. they asked him about it and he did not

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that is secretary mckale and secretary donald rumsfeld.y are two gentlemen that i hold in high esteem, not just because of what they have done and who they are, but because i have seen them at work and i have seen their dedication to this nation. secretary paul mchale is a former congressman from the state of pennsylvania. he served on numerous positions and the most relevant to this is the was the co-founder of the national guard and reserve components caucus in the house. he came to work at the pentagon. i will be honest, i was the military assistance to the secretary of defense at the time and i said, a former congressman, this could be painful. as it turns out, he is an incredible gentleman, easy to work with. easy to work for. he wants you to perform properly. the happiest i ever saw him was when he recruited me to come work for him and then shook hands and said i will see you in about six months, i'm going off to put on my marine uniform and he went back to afghanistan. already retired from the marine corps reserve, recalled to duty

tonight, we have former secretary of defense, donald rumsfeld and eric kantor, byron york is here toabout the latest between harry reid and mitt romney. you don't want to miss that. >> sean: we will be watching this 20 minutes. time to revisit the president's famed recovery summer of 2010, two years have come and gone and it is time for retrospective into his missing recovery. remember the summer of recovery? we will review something that obama has been hiding -- that's his record, coming up next. eric bolling, coming up straight ahead. ve been fortunate to win on golf's biggest stages. but when joint pain and stiffness from psoriatic arthritis hit, even the smallest things became difficult. i finally understood what serious joint pain is like. i talked to my rheumatologist and he prescribed enbrel. enbrel can help relieve pain, stiffness, and stop joint damage. because enbrel, etanercept, suppresses your immune system, it may lower your ability to fight infections. serious, sometimes fatal events including infections, tuberculosis, lymphoma, other cancers, and nervous system and blo

that is secretary mckale and secretary donald rumsfeld. they are two gentlemen that i hold in high esteem, not just because of what they have done and who they are, but because i have seen them at work and i have seen their dedication to this nation. secretary paul mchale is a former congressman from the state of pennsylvania. he served on numerous positions and the most relevant to this is the was the co-founder of the national guard and reserve components caucus in the house. he came to work at the pentagon. i will be honest, i was the military assistance to the secretary of defense at the time and i said, a former congressman, this could be painful. as it turns out, he is an incredible gentleman, easy to work with. easy to work for. he wants you to perform properly. the happiest i ever saw him was when he recruited me to come work for him and then shook hands and said i will see you in about six months, i'm going off to put on my marine uniform and he went back to afghanistan. already retired from the marine corps reserve, recalled to d

that is secretary mckale and secretary donald rumsfeld. they are two gentlemen that i hold in high esteem, not just because of what they have done and who they are, but because i have seen them at work and i have seen their dedication to this nation. secretary paul mchale is a former congressman from the state of pennsylvania. he served on numerous positions and the most relevant to this is the was the co-founder of the national guard and reserve components caucus in the house. he came to work at the pentagon. i will be honest, i was the military assistance to the secretary of defense at the time and i said, a former congressman, this could be painful. as it turns out, he is an incredible gentleman, easy to work with. easy to work for. he wants you to perform properly. the happiest i ever saw him was when he recruited me to come work for him and then shook hands and said i will see you in about six months, i'm going off to put on my marine uniform and he went back to afghanistan. already retired from the marine corps reserve, recalled to d

i find it disgusting that people from george bush to dick cheney and condoleezza rice and donald rumsfeldd the latest one being colin powell, they make so much money from writing their memoirs, and then, i am scraping together $5 to do a speaking tour. they are getting hundreds of thousands of dollars for one top. they are getting millions of dollars for their books. and they are propagating the lives that they propagated when they were in office. nobody has held them accountable. at codepink, my organization, we have been telling people so and so is speaking at this place, go in there and tried to arrest one in the name of the citizen. [applause] when you have no accountability for the sins of the past administration come you have none for this administration. >> i could listen to for the rest of this world. but here is what comes to mind. in terms of the government and the military, i think it comes back to what we are doing. i always refer back to the sport season. you are like a good coach. a good coach talks to the team. much of what you have been doing is talking to the team. becaus

bill: here is donald rumsfeld with greta last night. part. >> every leak out of the white house is a signal to other countries, be very careful about cooperating with the united states of america, because if you do you very likely will end up running the risk at least of compromising your country's relationship with the united states, your compromising intelligence information that you need to defend your people. bill: that last point about national defense, is he right? >> yes, he is. in fact i had the opportunity to be with secretary rumsfeld just about six weeks ago and we were discussing this very issue. definitely compromises our national defense and what it does is, it definitely damages our relationship with allies. the yemen operation there were two very, very close at lies involved in there with us, they are actually furious that we compromised it. we have the situation in syria now, if we believe the reports, where turkey is now being compromised because they disclosed the location in turkey where the c.i.a. command center is

case until i was lucky enough to be appointed chief of the national guard bureau by secretary donald rumsfeld under president bush back in 2003. for the five and a half years i have the honor of being the chief of the national guard bureau before i went to be the deputy at u.s. northern command i kept a record of how many states call out the national guard on any given day and the daily average was 17 states had their guard called out on some level -- some as few as a few people with a truck and water trailer going to an area where a municipality might need water where a well was contaminated or the border purification system -was purification system -- water purification. the aftermath of christina in 2005, we have the largest, fastest, military response to a domestic disaster, natural disaster, not only in the history of our country but in the history of the world. -- the aftermath of hurricane katrina. guam, puerto rico, district of columbia, and every state of the 50 states send their national guard. they were asked to comment not ordered -- asked to come and not order. they drove and pul

i say that's nonsense because i believe in the donald rumsfeld rule you go to bat with the politicalsystem you have, not the one you wish you have. india will never have the chinese political system but if through democracy we can overcome economic governance problems, that's -- in the last two or three election cycles you see more and more broadly governance being rewarded by re-election at the state level and men examples which we can go into. so, all this translates into the fact that india is a nation of hustlers so the private sector is doing well. skill labor is in good supply and you get this response of skills, maybe unskilled labor is a demographic we have come by. maybe even in terms of governance, if you find this responsive politics, maybe some of this -- partially overcome. we have a vibrant civil society in india. so that's the positive spin on the medium-term challenge. i'm completely agnostic about whether i believe in the pessimistic view in india or just think we can talk about that in the discussion. i want to end -- i think i'm still within my time limit. speak ab

the ponds to east africa and the persian gulf, and assumed duties as a military assistant to donald rumsfeld. upon retirement he continued at the pentagon. prior to joining us, he was a lead consultant to ibm on cybersecurity policy. please join me in welcoming steve bucci. steve? [applause] >> i want to thank everyone for being here today on a rainy day in washington, and to discuss the cherry topic of when the next catastrophe strikes. unfortunately, we always face that. there is always fun to be a next the event that will occur, and the only thing we can do is see how well we are prepared. this is by the way the first of the event we will have this week for our homeland security 2012 week. this is an excellent vehicle to keep off that serious up panels. the speakers are going to speak for about 10 minutes apiece and the order -- we will start with admiral johnson and then go to paul stockton and wrap up with jim carafano. i will introduce each of them first and turned them loose. if they start to go too much over 10 minutes, i will jump up and they will realize there is something afoot. o

he also assumed duties with military assistant to secretary donald rumsfeld and work with the secretaryrs. upon retirement, he continued as deputy assistant secretary of defense, and america's security affairs. prior to joining us, he was a lead consultant to ibm on cyber security policy. please join me in welcoming mycology -- my colleague. [applause] >> thank you for being here on this rainy day in washington and to discuss the cheery topic of when the next catastrophe strikes. unfortunately, we always face that. there was always going to the next event will occur in the only thing we can do is to see how well we are prepared to address it. we have three speakers this morning who are an ideal group to make that a discussion real for all of us. this is the first of the events we have for our homeland security 2012 week. i think this is an excellent vehicle to kickoff etsy reece of panels. the speakers will speak for about 10 minutes apiece and we will start with admiral johnson and go to the assistant secretary and west, we will wrap up with jim. i am going to introduce each of them fi

the ponds to east africa and the persian gulf, and assumed duties as a military assistant to donald rumsfeldupon retirement he continued at the pentagon. prior to joining us, he was a lead consultant to ibm on cybersecurity policy. please join me in welcoming steve bucci. steve? [applause] >> i want to thank everyone for being here today on a rainy day in washington, and to discuss the cherry topic of when the next catastrophe strikes. unfortunately, we always face that. there is always fun to be a next the event that will occur, and the only thing we can do is see how well we are prepared. this is by the way the first of the event we will have this week for our homeland security 2012 week. this is an excellent vehicle to keep off that serious up panels. the speakers are going to speak for about 10 minutes apiece and the order -- we will start with admiral johnson and then go to paul stockton and wrap up with jim carafano. i will introduce each of them first and turned them loose. if they start to go too much over 10 minutes, i will jump up and they will realize there is something afoot. oth

two lines about the -- went to the mattresses, as they say, in terms of having real feuds with donald rumsfeldfense. but she did have a very powerful story to tell. i remember in los angeles, i think it was los angeles, that colin powell talked about a need for affirmative action. tonight, condoleeza rice talked about the importance of immigration, didn't get much of a response to that. but as you say, it is a great personal story. >> and i thought a rejoinder to some of the fringes of this party, david, you have kids in school. i thought about her push on education. also it seems to me she did a wonderful statement about religious tolerance. both she and mike huckabee went from an evangelical background, it also came up in ryan's speech. an attempt to talk about people who may have prejudices against people who may be mormon. to really say it is not what church i'm going to, to where i'm talking the country. all three of them tried to do that tonight. >> there were part of the speeches for the hall. and parts of the speeches that were for the television audience. because this is as much about

>> host: donald rumsfeld. >> guest: yes. so sorry he got to that before i did, but there it is.was absolutely correct in saying that although he sounded befuddled when he did because he was worried about a war not going well, but that's a good question. are there limits in the ignorance? that's more important than a limit to the knowledge. >> host: you say in your book "ill nor rains -- "ignorance" that you talk about things you do no rather than what you don't know. >> guest: sure. wrote a letter to her brother that says one never notices what's been done, but what remains to be done. that's the attitude that drives scientists along, keeps in the labs and moves us along. we don't what everybody knows. that's done now. what don't we know? what do we need to know? why do we need to know it? what's the next best thing to know and so forth. >> host: page 28, george bernard shaw, albert einstein proclaimed science is never wrong. it never solves a problem without creating ten more. >> guest: that's the right description of science, absolutely. by the way, i should say that i believe

the ponds to east africa and the persian gulf, and assumed duties as a military assistant to donald rumsfeld. upon retirement he continued at the pentagon. prior to joining us, he was a lead consultant to ibm on cybersecurity policy. please join me in welcoming steve bucci. steve? [applause] >> i want to thank everyone for being here today on a rainy day in washington, and to discuss the cherry topic of when the next catastrophe strikes. unfortunately, we always face that. there is always fun to be a next the event that will occur, and the only thing we can do is see how well we are prepared. this is by the way the first of the event we will have this week for our homeland security 2012 week. this is an excellent vehicle to keep off that serious up panels. the speakers are going to speak for about 10 minutes apiece and the order -- we will start with admiral johnson and then go to paul stockton and wrap up with jim carafano. i will introduce each of them first and turned them loose. if they start to go too much over 10 minutes, i will jump up and they will realize there is something afoot. o

i believe in the donald rumsfeld will that if you go to bat with a political system, you will not havehe political system you wish to have. if -- with true democracy itself can overcome some of these economic governance problems, that is the role, and in the last two election cycles, you have seen more and more broad governance being rewarded through reelection at the state level. there are many examples which we can go into. and all that translates into the fact that the private sector is doing well, skilled labor in scarce supply, but of course, you get this response of skill. maybe unskilled labor -- there is a demographic dividend. even in terms of governance, if you find this response of party, maybe some of this can be partially overcome. we have a vibrant civil society in india. that is kind of the positive spin on the medium term challenge. i am completely agnostic about whether i believe in the pessimistic view in india. we can talk about that in the discussion. i want to end -- i think i am sooner than my time limit -- speaking about the longterm challenges. i think -- i mean

he also assumed duty is military assistance to the secretary donald rumsfeld and worked daily with the secretary for five and a half years. upon retirement for the army, continued as the pentagon as the deputy assistant secretary of defense, homeland defense and america's security affairs. prior to joining us here at heritage, he was the lead consultant to ibm on cybersecurity policy. please try me in welcoming my colleague. steve? [applause] >> i want to thank everyone for being here on a rainy day in washington, and to discuss the cherry topics of when the next catastrophe strikes. unfortunately, we always face that. there is always going to be in next event that is going to occur and the only thing we can do is to see how well we are prepared to address that. we have three speakers this morning who actually are an ideal route to make that discussion real for all of us. this is by the way the first of the events we have this week for our homeland security 2012 week and this is an excellent vehicle to kickoff that series of panels. the speakers are going to speak for about ten minutes