end, doused with cold water and severely deprived of sleep but hate former defense secretary donald rumsfeld said d stands for 8 to 10 hours a day and that's why it should be limited to 4 hours after he officially signed off on the sea ice torture methods in 2002 former president george w bush also had no regrets years after launching the program. here's what i'm gonna say, that we're fortunate to have men and women who work hard at to see a serving on our behalf. these are patriots. and i knew the directors, i knew the deputy directors, you know, i know a lot of the operators, they are good people, really good people. and we're lucky as a nation to have them the top it all off the guy who ran the entire c. i a torture program, not only still defends it publicly, but even tried to destroy any and all video was connected to its existence. it's another story when it comes to many who are tasked with doing the actual torturing nudity was sort of the theme of the entire prison, the number of a rockies that wouldn't make. it was shocking and it was cold. the rock certainly gets hot in the summer.

so that's another, if you like, a sort of donald rumsfeld style known—unknown.this was supposed to be a confidential conversation, then clearly that raises questions regarding the security of these communications and whether the right protocols and encryption and everything else is being used as it should be. yeah, i suppose when a country is at war, or perhaps even when it isn't, would you assume always that your enemies are trying to spy on these kind of confidential conversations? yes, there is. that's a very good point. i mean, there is that sort of zero trust idea, isn't there, that you should always assume that any communications you're making are being listened to, that the enemy is getting intel or can potentially get intelligence from that. but obviously, at some point you are going to have to discuss things confidentially and possibly with an even higher level of classification like that. so in a sense, it is unavoidable using the electronic means of communications we all use every day to have very important and potentially very secret discussions. but

so this is another, if you like a donald rumsfeld style thing, but it does raise questions as to whetherarly that raises questions regarding the security of these communications and whether the right protocols and encryption and everything else is being used as it should be. i suppose when a country is at work, perhaps even when it isn't, would you assume always that your enemies are trying to spy on these kind of confidential conversations? yes. confidential conversations? yes, there is, that's _ confidential conversations? yes, there is, that's a _ confidential conversations? yes, there is, that's a very _ confidential conversations? yes, there is, that's a very good - confidential conversations? ieis there is, that's a very good point. there is a sort of zero trust idea, isn't there, that you should assume that any communications you're making a heirloom being listened to, the enemy is getting, potentially getting intelligence from that, but at some point you are going to have to discuss things confidentially and possibly within another level of classification at that. if it is unavoi

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a threat which is a threat to the world order if trump is re-elected is known known to quote donald rumsfeldmer defense secretary mattis or mark milley will come out and say those things, but everyone in the national security establishment who worked in and was around the trump term will tell you that. and what they would say privately and publicly is america could survive one trump term, it won't survive a second. that is a fact of the view of those who were tasked with protecting our national security during his presidency before and probably some are still in those agencies. and yet mitch mcconnell who has success -- if i have access to that information, mitch mcconnell does, too, endorsed trump today. >> because the republican party is engaged in a group decision that they are trying to change what the united states is. right? i mean, if you want to support the idea of america as a democracy, we are a multiracial plurristic society with lots of different kinds of people and economic freedom, and all of the other civil society things that support us being a big complex society, it's reall

people, because of the nixon people are gone and discredited, and so a very young cheney and donald rumsfeldpublican politics then. cheney has very powerful jobs about what he would normally have, because of that. i do wonder, there is always some possibility of the rapture. of the thing just imploding. it never does happen, but there is some universe -- it is not that difficult to conjure in which say a second defeat this time around really does purge it from the party or there is some power vacuum, that to the people standing around -- well, nikki haley is standing around. i'm the one who got the most votes next to him. i raised all of my name recognition and my profile and my dorner list and all that stuff. >> and i have to say, if you take nikki haley at her word and you listen to her about why she is dating in the race, the cost of her staying in the race is negative. media is asking all the time, why don't you go out? why should she? what is the cost to her staying in? unless she is trying to elect donald trump, which she is not trying to do. >> i would say two things that make it inte