so i went out and i thought about it -- i thought of donald segretti. he had been a roommate at usc and was just leaving the judge advocate's position in the army. i thought -- he is very anonymous and would fit in and could do this kind of thing. >> what happened to segretti? >> he went to jail, too. i actually met segretti. he was that close to doing an interview -- i talked to him twice. but he did not want to do the project. >> why? >> he did not tell me why. >> he lives in california now? >> i really should not say. i found out where he lived as a result of my job. >> people who want to see the entire interviews should go to nixonlibrary.gov, or come to us and our video library. also for the record -- you are now an american citizen. >> i became a u.s. citizen in 2001. >> you were educated at harvard and yale and johns hopkins. >> i have a m.a. and ph.d from harvard in history. >> george shultz was secretary of treasury and secretary of state -- in the nixon administration he was secretary of treasury. here he is. >> he came to me and said, john de