. >> donald tonby one of the greatest historians who lived. you said he has commented that the coming of buddhism to the west would be seen in time as the single-most important historical event of the 20th century. pretty wild statement in it. >> there is wildness in it. whenever you make a global statement like that it is wild. >> you're not a buddhist. that's right. >> this is not religion. exactly. talk mindfulness. it is an areligious concept. the buddhists have practiced this in the course of their religion. but you don't have to do it in any religious context. >> interesting thing about buddhism. the buddha wasn't a buddhist. >> buddha was not a biewdit. no, but jesus was not a christian either. so in that sense -- the way i see the buddha and, say, christ as well as these profound geniuses of their time, who saw very, very deeply into the nature of reality. would you think that -- considering the other propositions that you make rather compellingly in your back -- book about the transformation of society that can be achieved. and the wo