what is it in your party that was so focused that you made donald trump the front runner because all he did was raise the birther issue. >> first of all, i didn't make donald trump the front runner. >> he was the leader in the polls. >> hang on a second, chris. i never one time questioned this issue. i threw it away. i'm not on record with that. our party's not on regard with that. the fact of the matter is what americans are looking for in this country and the reason why donald trump and rick perry and mitt romney, michele bachmann and sarah palin resonate with the american people is that american in this country are starving for real leadership. people with guts and a spine. this president hasn't been able to exhibit any of those things at all. >> do you believe that barack obama is a loyal, patriotic american. >> of course. >> thank you. chairman of the republican party. >>> up next michele bachmann was once worried about anti-americanism in congress. now she's worried about the rise of the soviet union. yes, the sovietdown union. we'll talk about that in the side show. you're wat

is donald trump under attack for being messy? hink he needs to do some housekeeping. >> some of the writers, some of the ones that are not so smart. they say the desk, trump has so many papers on his desk, let's analyze everything on the desk and they do the best and they fail. but the fact is, i've noticed over the years successful people have a lot going on on their desk. my desk is my office. it's very important part of me. frankly, it's very important part of my success. everything i do comes right through this desk. so, if it's not perfectly neat, if there is a lot of action, i think that is okay. i actually think that is a good thing. many people have been asking about my desk and the fact that i have so many papers on my desk. it's actually very neat. i know where everything is, but if you look around, i mean there is a lot of stuff. the fact is, i'm busy. i always noticed that busy people, people that are very successful in many cases have a lot going on on their desk. >> greta: if that is the case, as successful as donald

you will hear my conversation with donald trump. >>> donald trump guess what?is a great thing and he's got nothing but love for the tea party movement. we covered the debt ceiling negotiations, the president's political maneuvering, the upside of owing more money than you've got. listen. >> could debt be a good thing is my point. you have to spend a little money to make a little money. >> i love debt. i've used to become very rich. it's leverage. you can't become really, really rich without debt. you'll use it and if things are good, that's great. and if things are bad you'll renegotiate or you'll do something or do what i have and lots s os of others of the big most important leaders have done, which is take advantage of the laws that are given to you. sometimes that's the chapter laws. but debt can be a great thing if you know how to use it. but it's a very dangerous thing. it's a slippery slope. >> on the hill there's been a heck of a lot of negotiating and criticism for the tea party movement-backed republicans. some are saying they're the ones holding thes

to throw donald trump out there is interesting. politically, i would agree with monica, that could be very dangerous and good for barack obama history shows it is going to get worse the longer we see unemployment at 9.1%, 14 million people in recent history we've never seen a president reelected -- >> sean: romney is a business guy, people are saying we need somebody that is not insofar over his head. trump said something interesting. he's never done a deal the only deal he ever did was a rest co-deal. that's not a deal. -- he did was the rezko deal. that was not a deal. the one deal was corrupt. >> this guy has never run a business. he's never run a popsicle stand. he's never had to answer to shareholders or turn a profit. >> sean: if he runs a lemonade stand he better get a license. >> the biggest problem is he afraid of making the wrong decision so he's making no decision. >> sean: good to see you. >> the perry effect the texas governor is already sending the mainstream media and white house into a útisy. should he take that as

i asked donald trump to be treasury secretary. uggesting donald trutch. >> mike: have him take the job for 90 days. >> mr. trump is watching, please call us. >> mike: that would be a game changer and the president needs a game changer and he doesn't have it in geithner. he probably needs a game changer and i visited with donald trump and him what he would d differently in the job. >> first of all your recommendation was heard all over the world. paryis engleft-handa said what a recommendation . what i do, start with chin a. they are abusing us and taking advantage of us and they are smarter than our negotiators and leaders. instead of using great business men down the street that are better than anybody. we use a diplomat and we don't use them. tell china you either behave with the manipulatation or throw a big fat tax on you . i would hope to do the tax and that would be 25 percent. it should be 41 percent. and one of two things would happen. they would immediately behave which i hope would not happen. you would start manufacturin

what is it in your party that was so focused that you made donald trump the front runner because all he did was raise the birther issue. what happened there? you're an expert on politics. >> first of all, i didn't make donald trump the front runner. >> he was the leader in the polls. >> hang on a second, chris. i never one time questioned this issue. in fact, i threw it away. i'm not on record with that. our party's not on regard with that. the fact of the matter is what americans are looking for in ar that. the fact of the matter is what americans are looking for ird w that. the fact of the matter is what americans are looking for icrd that. the fact of the matter is what americans are looking for in rd that. the fact of the matter is what americans are looking for icrd that. the fact of the matter is what americans are looking for iord that. the fact of the matter is what americans are looking for in this country and the reason why donal and sarah palin resonate with the american people is that american in this country are starving for real leadership. people with guts and a spine.

discover the complete benefits of centrum silver. >>> donald trump keeps hinting he might jump back inresidential race. i guess i'd have to brush off my endorsement. but he sounds more like he's gunning for the top job at bp. trump was on with "fox & friends" this morning and weighed in on the situation in libya. donald doesn't care about the libyan people overthrowing a tyrant. he doesn't even care about what it means for american politics. donald trump is only interested in oil. >> why don't we take the oil? i mean why aren't we reimbursing ourselves? you know in the old days you win a war, you gave to the victor. we fight all the wars and we get nothing. they come to us begging for help, wouldn't you say okay, we're going to help you. but when and if you're successful, we get half of your oil? okay. our country is going broke and we're helping these people and now they're going to be richer than the people of this country because they're going to take the oil. >> okay. hold it right there. i see the light now. that's how michelle bachmann if she's elected sprez going to get gas to b

but what does donald trump think about this?ck miller rap song. it's named "donald trump". and it just hit over 20 million people. tuning in to mack miller. in one way, i'm proud of him. i haven't seen the language. it's hard to understand on the song itself. probably it's not the cleanest language we've ever heardut

more from donald trump. but first sam youngman joins us. why waiting until after labor day, after his vacation? >> i think for any blockbuster you want to build for spin. right now the president is laying the ground work to build support for this plan by going out in the country and talking to people. they all take vacations, they all look bad and no president is ever really on vacation. obviously, most american people i think when they hear the president has a plan they want to know why what is he waiting for? >> greta: you can be patient, i can be patient, the president can be patient because we all have one thing in common, we have jobs. it is such a tin ear to listen. when he hears about people terrified about putting food on the take, paying rent. the fact that he thinks that congress here, i will wait, without attempting to put some sort of hope in the lives of the american people is beyond me. >> i think heat trying to put hope in the lives of the american people. -- i think he is trying to put hope in the lives of the american peopl

there was 14 hours when donald trump was the front runner for the nomination. what do you make of rick perry's surge and does he have at ing power . >> it is fascinating because he has at ing power. donald trump shared his opinions and on talk shows, but captured the interest of republican vores who are looking for machine to take on president obama in an aggressive way. but unlike donald trump rick perry has a record and governor for 10 years and a world view that is more coherent than donald trump and i think he will likely have a lot of money so this is a guy with a fair amount of staying power. >> chris: mitt romney up to the point has been able to lead the race without engaging the candidates and sometimes by double digits and now perry king a clear lead does romney have to change that and go after perry. >> yes, i think he has to. keep your focus on president obama and don't worry about the ones running against you. he's not the front runner anymore and shows rick perry surging to the polls and showing strength in the republican primary electorate and not

>> donald trump. >> steve: that's right. >> alisyn: donald, you heard about the story of how his bike and i said, boy, he's such a great kid, just a great looking and great kid. and i loved, he said, i prayed for my bike. ask i said, when he prayed for his bike, we have to come through. >> steve: what happened to your bike? >> we were at a friend's house. we came back and the door was open and the lights were on. my dad went and turned the lights on. i usually leave them on. the next day i went to go to a skate park with my friends and so when we went in the garage to get it, it wasn't there. we looked all over. we told my mom. we looked in the cemetery to see if somebody dumped it and then we called the police. >> brian: you're left without a bike. you have a police report and the bike has been -- you had so much fun with this bike. right? >> uh-huh. >> steve: now donald trump enters the picture. you saw it on tv. >> i did. who did i call? >> steve: you called me. >> i actually called steve. i think you were away. i called steve and i said, i just saw the nicest guy on television and

media bubble cares about donald trump says no my god i mean seriously most people are probably asking why does anyone care that this one man who's not of the like that official is more of you could describe as a media whore. what do you see they have to say about that he has bad hair why do they care and then of course one politician said something crazy so the mainstream media in turn went crazy over it you have been quoted coming out of your caucus as calling this agreement a sugar coated satan sandwich was that indeed your quote is that how you feel about this deal if i were a republican i would be doing in the streets i don't have any idea what the republicans wanted that they didn't get on the surface it looks like the same sandwich. seriously satan sandwich who cares i'll tell you what they could be talking about instead of sandwiches or what donald trump had to say how about the way that this deal is actually going to change america the way it will help get our economy out of the gutter the way that will probably keep unemployment high won't ask anymore of the rich it will only

donald trump. the decision you made a couple months ago not to seek the presidential nomination. any regrets? >> first of all, i want to say as i was listening to you eloquently state about the president's conference, i was saying what a terrible time this is for our country. our economy is absolutely doing horribly, and the helicopter was just a disaster yesterday. what a tragedy that was. and just what a terrible time it is for this country. this is things that you would have thought could not have happened. it's just bad news after bad news. the economy, the helicopter, you could just go story after story. everything bad, nothing good. it's a terrible time. i made a decision, as you know, and in fact i was watching a particular show called "meet the press" the day before i did this, and i was leading in the polls with mike huckabee, the two of us were leading in the polls. i made a division for the reason that i made, and however, i will tell you and i was happy with the decision, but if the eco

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so congratulations to me, donald trump. thank you. you're welcome. >> he thanks himself.ys, you're welcome. >> donald is another one. i love him. i wish i was on his show. >> yeah. you were great. >> but he's a magical character for you guys. >> i don't even understand what he is. he's so good. we did a bit on our show once where we had remote control boatsm and we were racing the remote control boats. and he stood up with his boat and he was following his boat around. i go, donald, it's remote control. you don't -- you don't have to touch it. it's the idea of it. you can stay here. that's the idea of the game. you don't walk with the boat. you know, he was, like, i don't know, jimmy, you know, my boats are beautiful, 24-carat gold, beautiful boobs on it, great, beautiful, beautiful boat. we played charades with donald trump and lil john and nini leaks. >> ever think that would happen in your life? >> no, that's the fun part of having a talk show. we're having this thing and lil john is clearly doing a guy -- a woman giving birth. he's doing baby. i think it was baby talk

what is it in your party that was so focused has you made donald trump your front-runner because alle did was raise the birther issue? what happened there? you're an expert on politics. >> first of all i didn't make donald trump the front-runner. >> it was in the polls. >> hang on a second, chris. i nerve every one time questioned this issue. in fact i threw it away. i'm not on record with that. our party's not on record with that. but the fact of the matter is, what americans are looking for in this country and the reason why people like donald trump and rick perry and other, mitt romney and the rest of our field, michele bachmann and sarah palin are, resonate with the american people is that americans in this country are starving for authentic real leadership. people with guts and a spine, and this president hasn't been able to exhibit any of those things. at all. >> answer my question. you believe that barack obama is a loyal, patriotic american? >> of course. >> okay. thank you, reince priebus. chairman of the republican party. >>> up next, michele bachmann was once worried about

we spoke with donald trump. nice to see you. >> thank you. >> greta: donald, the debt ceiling many americans heard back and forth between the two parties if it hadn't gotten raised it would have been catastrophic. would it have been catastrophic? >> i don't think so. the republicans fried hard but didn't make a good deal. the worse thing they could have had it, the one thing obama wanted, to bring it past the election. if they had this come due again before the election he could not have been reelected they agreed to that, i have no idea in addition to that, very little cutting. of course they don't talk about the bush tax cuts. in 13 -- in '13 they expire so taxes will go through the roof. people are saying the republicans made a good deal. i don't think they made a good deal. people are finding out they didn't. a little like the lame duck. they thought they made this great deal with billions and billions. turned out to be nothing. this is the same thing. people are finding out. they should have never allowed th

if you listen to donald trump, he foams at the mouth at the mere mention of china. he believes they're an enemy to the national interest. why do you believe he may be a friend? >> the media crisis, the financial crisis going on now despite all of the bombasts coming from the chinese side how america needs to pull up the socks and behave better, fundamentally, their interests are the same as ours at the moment. the two big threats to the chinese economy are number one, they won't be able to sell things to a largely american market. so the recession would hurt them. second, the extensive holdings in the u.s. treasuries and u.s. dollars will be at risk. so for the time being, the interests are avoiding recession and having a calm return to u.s., u.s. economy and financial markets. >> secretary geithner spoke to vice premier wang today. how do you think it sfwhent. >> the editorials in the state papers for the last couple of days have been strong on the finger pointing at the u.s. for all of its bad behavior. we imagine the two financiers got past that. the main concern

donald trump, a wonderful thought that is. speak for itself.ecretary. >> people are talking about why geithner should leave and who should replace him. how about one of your member of paul ryan. president would never appoint somebody like that. >> eric: he has too much work to do with. congress, other names, trump, yeah. no more corzine. he almost ruined new jersey, as governor. forget him. someone who knows how to handle spending, not overspending what you have. how to handle this. >> let me tell you why i think it won't happen. >> what won't? >> dana: secretary geithner will not resign and they will not force him to go because the pressure for them to appoint someone more favorable to big business and the bank and the right would be so great. the only thing left in their tool it can is bashing the banks. telling you, it is coming. >> bob: >> what do. >> what do you they this the federal government can do about this? in the president's lame statement, congress in recess, president is going to martha's vineyard. >> kimberly: he needs to cancel

will trump take the job? the donald on the curvy couch, two minutes away. omm vroom vrrooom vrrroooomm vrrroooomm vrroom vrrrooomm vrrroooooooommmmmm mmmm mm. what if we designed an electric motorcycle? what if we turned trash into surfboards? whatever your what if is, the new sprint biz 360 has custom solutions to make it happen, including mobile payment processing, instant hot spots, and 4g devices like the motorola photon. so let's all keep asking the big what ifs. sprint business specialists can help you find the answers. sprint. america's favorite 4g network. trouble hearing on the phone? visit sprintrelay.com. >> steve: joining us right now is donald trump. today he's in person. >> i felt guilty. it's always by telephone, maybe sometimes from a bed, you know. obama is not doing a great job and -- >> gretchen: tmi! >> china is ripping us. this is no fun, you have to get up. then they start throwing make-up on you. i hate that. >> steve: comb your hair and stuff like that. >> running my fingers through my hair. >> steve: i bet you do that a lot. today is

we spoke with donald trump. nice to see you. >> thank you. >> greta: donald, the debt ceiling many americans heard back and forth between the two parties if it hadn't gotten raised it would have been catastrophic. would it have been catastrophic? >> i don't think so. the republicans fried hard but didn't make a good deal. the worse thing they could have had it, the one thing obama wanted, to bring it past the election. if they had this come due again before the election he could not have been reelected they agreed to that, i have no idea in addition to that, very little cutting. of course they don't talk about the bush tax cuts. in 13 -- in '13 they expire so taxes will go through the roof. people are saying the republicans made a good deal. i don't think they made a good deal. people are finding out they didn't. a little like the lame duck. they thought they made this great deal with billions and billions. turned out to be nothing. this is the same thing. people are finding out. they should have never allowed th

donald trump is tweeting about the president.ent go into a spat with a tea party activist. dana perino is here. and we have so much more. we have a great show. >> sean: great to see you in new york. she is coming up in 18 minutes. i have a bone to pick with beckel. our great, great american panel, next. ve copd. ve copd. if you have it, you know how hard it can be to breathe and what that fes like copd includes chronic bronchitis and emphysema. spiriva helps control my copd symptoms... ...by keepinmy airways open... ...a full 24 hours. plus, it reduces copd flare-ups. spiriva is the only once-daily inhaled copd maintence treatment that does both. and it's eroid-free. spiriva doesot replace fast-acting inlers for sudden symptoms. tell your doctor if you have kidney problems, glaucoma, trouble urinating, or an enlarged prostate. these may worsen with spiriva. discuss all medicines you take, even eye drops. stop taking spiriva and call your doctor right away if your breathing suddenly worsens,... ...your throat or tongue swells, you

we spoke with donald trump. ce to see you. >> thank you. >> greta: donald, the debt ceiling many americans heard back and forth between the two parties if it hadn't gotten raised it would have been catastrophic. would it have been catastrophic? >> i don't think so. the republicans fried hard but didn't make a good deal. the worse thing they could have had it, the one thing obama wanted, to bring it past the election. if they had this come due again before the election he could not have been reelected they agreed to that, i have no idea in addition to that, very little cutting. of course they don't talk about the bush tax cuts. in 13 -- in '13 they expire so taxes will go through the roof. people are saying the republicans made a good deal. i don't think they made a good deal. people are finding out they didn't. a little like the lame duck. they thought they made this great deal with billions and billions. turned out to be nothing. this is the same thing. people are finding out. they should have never allowed this

so somebody like a donald trump or something like that is lionized throughout the culture. whereas nobody will get rich in this room from which you are doing, instead of money, what the warrior culture offer is on a. and, in fact, there's a great story about when an agent -- i will take a few ancient stories today. i hope i will put you to sleep. when this year q. since in sicily were under siege i the opinion. i know general mahone is up on this, the spartans came to their aid. and the way the spartans win of the help another country, they never sent money and they never sent an army. they just one more -- one man, the general. so when he came to syracuse, seared use was a very wealthy city in sicily. they had really virtually no army. so he had to somehow form an army out of these kind of crazy civilians. and so when he went to pick his officer corps, he gave these instructions. he said search for men who care not about wealth or power, but who crave honor. and i would guess that's pretty much what is feeling this room here. another difference between the civilian dies an

. >> greta: tonight donald trump says we're in big, big trouble. he hates that debt ceiling bill the president just signed. does donald trump have a plan? will he run for president. we asked him. nice to see you. >> thank you. >> greta: the debit, many americans have heard if it hadn't been raised, it would have been catastrophic. would it have been catastrophic to the american people? >> i don't think so. i think the republicans tried hard, but they didn't make a good deal. they did very little cutting, but the worse thing of all -- they could have it had, the one thing obama wanted -- he wanted to bring it past the election, because if they had this come due again before the election, he could not have been re-elected. why they agreed to that, i have no idea. but in addition to that very little cutting. of course they don't even talk about the bush tax cuts, because in '13 they expire, so taxes will go through the roof. i don't understand -- you know, people are saying the republicans made a good deal. i don't think they made a good deal. people

he was very strong about that but i loved him for that t. >> i remember donald trump falling for thesapprehension of you, saying trace can do no wrong. >> you know what? this is not "the apprentice" i will slap the british out of you on this show because this is -- i'm not having to win anything here. >> lisp, understand one thing, i was in a competition against tito ortiz, lennox lewis, heavyweight boxing champion, and you, the biggest meatball in the history of country music, and i took you all down. so the words you're looking for are, good to see you again, champ. >> good to see you again, champ. >> trace, it's been a great pleasure. good luck with the album. >> good to see you. >> trace adkins's album "proud to be here" in stores now. coming up, cnn's ali velshi, what to expect from the markets tomorrow. >>> now i want to bring back cnn's ali velshi with the opening bell hours awaying i barely know how to ask you this, but have you got any idea what's going to happen in the marks tomorrow? >> what you should do before the markets open pick up pepto-bismol on your way in. it's go

donald trump ahead with his take and that's what he looks like.'m supposed to do. like, keep one of these over your head. well, i wasn't "supposed" to need flood insurance, but i have it. fred over here chose not to have it. ♪ me, i've got a plan. fred he uh... fred what is your plan? do i look like i have a plan? not really. [ female announcer ] only flood insurance covers floods. for a free brochure, call the number on your screen. >> brian: the republican field for president could be getting even bigger. rumors growing each day congressman paul ryan may jump into the race, deciding what to do in colorado. so if he does run, can he win? the last time a sitting representative was elected from the house, 1880. georgia governor and former united states congressman himself joins us. governor, can someone with your ex-job get the big job in the oval office? >> why, certainly. i think it's great training and when you mention paul ryan, of course, he's the head of the budget committee in the house and certainly has been willing to put his name on issue

i think donald trump should run with paris hilton.be at the top of the ticket. and rand writes this is a useless topic, mr. cafferty, you need to take a break. good idea. if you want to read more on this, go to the blog, cnn.com/caffertyfile or to our post on "the situation room's" facebook page, wolf? >> like congress, you could take a five-week recess, jack. >> i think that's a great idea. can i start now? >> a five-week recess -- >> and leave the faa in a lurch. these clowns are beyond description. >> yeah. it's pretty shocking when you think of it. they better do something. 24 to 48 hours they got to resolve this. this country can't afford another $1 billion of taxpayer money going to go down the drain for nothing. >> doesn't anybody look at, like, a calendar and figure out this isn't a good time to go on vacation, and take care of the faa? >> very busy. >>> for our north american viewers, "john king, usa" coming up at the top of the hour, his interview with the transportation secretary ray lahood, he'll be among the guests. the b

donald trump should be finding qaddafi and drilling into his greasy skull.t's where it all is. >> incredibly violent, bill. >> and it is incredibly smart. >> the oil, i agree with you about the economy and it will all work out for italy and for france. but we should get the -- they should deliver that in a basket to us and we can do whatever we want. the real story here 1* he has a couple of kids that have been killed and he has another couple kids that are on the run. >> apparently his son was not captured after all. >> he was almost captured. isn't the real story that qaddafi was a terrible dad? >> i think it was a real made for tv movie in the making. >> what about qaddafi's wife? they have mubarak in egypt and asaad in syria and you would think the bravo network would have a dictator -- >> oh my god. >> fight over humas and try on burkas. >> here is the problem. generally you dvr this stuff, you can't record it because you can't spell qaddafi. i never know whether to go a k or a g. >> or a q. >> because he doesn't like the jews there are just as many way

though wonder why donald trump ain't doing a jig and donald, this was heartly a convincing rally. i guess calming. >>guest: well, no one knows what is happening. i have never seen volatility like that. it has to be a record. down 250 and then up 150 and up 250. i have never seen anything like it. so, basically, people are saying they do not know what is happening. >>neil: you say it is a crisis of leadership not just here but everywhere. explain that. >>guest: we are leading it, but that is the only thing we are leading in. we have a tremendous crisis in leadership. no confidence in our leadership. and it will have to change or this country will not be great again. we are going through a tremendous crisis and it all begins with the crisis in leadership. >>neil: you are not a fan of how the president is handling this. >>guest: i don't think anyone can be. who could be? even the biggest allies are not fans so much anymore, and i would not be that surprised if we saw a nice liberal move to run against him in the primaries, i would not be surprised if someone on the liberal side, say,

. >> reporter: if you want to see an expert walk out check out the young donald trump. >> i will do this with somebody else. do it with somebody else. >> reporter: gene simmons being interviewed when his claim was brought up that he slept with 5,000 women. >> that's very nice of you to joke about. it's a joke. >> where are you going? >> thank you for the question. >> reporter: his companion headed off. she didn't know the only way out is through this fake garden wall. so she paced. >> please come back. >> no. you joke about it and it's not funny. >> reporter: before you walk out make sure there is someplace to walk too. >> shannon come back. >> we will stick around. we will be right back. ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, maburger creation that would

this is donald trump thought here. let's listen. >> i would like to have him show his birth certificate. and to be honest with you, i hope he can. because if he can't, if he can't and if he wasn't born in this country. which is real possibility. i'm not saying it has been. but it is possibility. then he pulled one of the greatest cons in the history of politics. >> there is donald trump betting on black and it came up red. >> chris you made such a great point about the fact that that when democrats attack on the left they said of george w. bush, he is not bright enough for job. he has shrunk in office, not grown in office. he misspent money. he started us on the wrong path but they never questioned whether he was american or questioned his patriotism. whether he somehow at some level understood what america was all about, even if he was wrong in the policy peps that is not the case here. there is a fundamental threshold that for a third of country, he never crossed, not that he lost it, but he never crossed it. maybe b