donald trump is dangerous, and donald trump is also stupid, and that makes donald trump a danger to himself, especially a danger to himself legally as his criminal lawyers well know. fani willis has sought no public attention for her quite investigation of election fraud. it took donald trump's public stupidity to force district attorney willis to say publicly, i am conducting a criminal investigation of former president donald j trump. donald trump's public stupidity let him down another road this weekend that his harmful donald trump as evidence to the criminal investigations of election fraud. because donald trump is banned from twitter, yesterday he released a written statement seen by members of the news media and we are not sure who else, that has created more legal jeopardy for donald trump. a statement says that the legislative efforts now underway to clarify the electoral count act of 1887 means, according to donald trump quote, that mike pence did have the right to change the outcome, and they now want to take that right away. unfortunately, he didn't exercise that power, he could

and i think, lawrence, there's a fear underneath that all of that to hold donald trump accountable issomehow anger the people who support him. i think there's a real fear that the 20%, the 20% of hard-core trump voters, if there's a possibility to hold trump accountable, the 20% will actually resort to violence. i think that's the worry. otherwise, one cannot account for why. why some people refused to hold donald trump accountable. but we clearly see our egregious acts of -- illegal acts of breaking the law, that is. >> zerlina, we might be able to see movements on the supreme court nomination next week. the president met with the senate judiciary democrats today reports indicate that he will spend the weekend with wet he has identified solicitor hold as the four finalists that he is really studying right now. as early as next week, we might see the comings and goings of some win into the white house to be interviewed for a nomination to the supreme court. >> given how the republicans reacted when he first said he was going to nominate a black woman, it will be very entertaining to s

>> donald j. trumpd applause) >> narrator: by july 2016, donald trump headed to the republican convention after crushing the establishment candidates. >> let's face it, he was larger than the republican party. in fact, his nomination was the hostile takeover of the republican party. >> narrator: in their defeat, the g.o.p. leaders lined up behind the man who had ridiculed and attacked them. >> they ceded the reins to somebody who was pulling together this enormous movement on the far-right fringe that was swamping the party. they thought-- the g.o.p. thought they were in contr. but by that point, they were already losing control. >> narrator: they even gave him one of their own as his running mate. >> the next vice president of the united states, governor mike pence. >> it was a shock to the staff when they found out that mike pence had been chosen, given trump's rhetoric and how extreme he was. i don't think that they expected him to be the one chosen as the running mate. >> and when we elect donald tr

donald trump. donald trump's insane ego demands that donald trump released a statement fighting back against that mazars letter. when he does, that when donald trump does that, he contradicts everything that his lawyers have been telling the judge in that case. then, tonight, in the braking's of the night, the attorney general of the state of new york uses donald trump's exact, profoundly stupid words, in his statement against him. that is where that case is tonight. mazars has flipped. mazars has flipped and is working with new york prosecutors in their investigations of donald trump. that is the judgment of our first guest tonight, attorney philip -- who has studied the letter that mazars accounting firms sent to don trump's company. donald trump and the company has plans last week. philip writes, this is a big deal. it means that mazars has flipped and is now protecting itself, not trump. or, as trump put it in his statement last night, that mazars didn't feel it could fight it out. that is undo

but, to his credit, pence refused to go along with the scheme, something donald trump has never forgiven him for. just this week, trump released a statement where he said the quiet part out loud, and falsely insisted that pence could overturn the results of the election. today, pence responded to those comments saying in no uncertain terms that donald trump is wrong, his plan was misguided. >> january 6th was a dark day in the history of the united states capitol. lives were lost. and many were injured. but thanks to the courageous action of the capitol police and federal law enforcement, the violence was quelled, the capital was secured, and we reconvened the congress that very same day, to finish our work under the constitution of the united states. i heard this week that president trump said i had the right to overturn the election. president trump is wrong. i had no right to overturn the election. the presidency belongs to the american people, and the american people alone. and frankly, there is no idea more un-american, then the notion that any one person could choose the american p

and, his accounting firm has dropped donald trump as a client just when he needs them the most. est thing at risk for defendant trump's money. if donald trump is convicted of crimes, he will not spend any time in prison, because it would be functionally impossible to incarcerate a former president along with his full secret service protective detail, and so a judge would simply order the secret service protective unit to in effect take custody of donald trump while he serves any criminal sentence in home confinement. in other words, his life as a convicted felon would look exactly the way it looks today, without the rallies. it is the loss of money that donald trump has to fear the most, the largest amount of money at stake for defendant trump's with a washington, d.c., federal jury could order him to pay. and civil lawsuits filed against donald trump for, in effect, inciting the attack on the capital. on friday, federal judge ahmed meta, denied donald trump's request to dismiss the case completely. in a 112 page ruling the judge explained why donald trump will not have -- now ha

hillary beat donald trump by 3 million votes. a half million votes. it's only the antiquated electoral college system that allowed trump to get to where he was and the young people are coming with our party, the party of democracy, the new americans are coming with our party, the party of democracy. the gop exist completely on a bag of tricks that installed minority political power like the filibuster in the senate, like the gerrymandering of our congressional districts, like the manipulation of the antiquated electoral college system. so it's the will of the majority versus their bag of tricks. and i concede to you, we are in a profound struggle for american democracy but what we need is not judgment and carping from around the world, we need people tojoin our struggle and to help us vindicate the continuing progress of democracy in america. congressmanjamie raskin, we have to end there. i wish we had more time. but thank you indeed forjoining me. thank you for having me. storm eunice is bearing down on the uk. and all indication

he's not a donald trump loyalist. so he has this window into, as the protesters were chanting, hang mike pence, throughout the entire day, no one from the white house, not the president, not a low level staffer, no one called the then vice president or his entourage to see if he was okay. at one point short himself called the white house and said hey guys, just so you know, we are sheltering in this particular location, we are fine. i think the real value it's not really on january 6th it's all those days and weeks leading up to january 6th where marc short was one of the few people who was often in the room or on phone calls with trump, with pence, with some of trump's lawyers and allies who repeatedly tried to pressure pence to, as trump tweeted out prepared in the statement the other day overturn election. >> melissa murray, can i just ask you about process? pardon me. at the moment the democrats have the number to pass whomever the senate signs off on. do you think there could be any problem in joe biden getting t

it's been a week of bad legal news for donald trump. he likelihood that trump will face any consequences? >> you know, how could he not, jonathan. you just went through the trifecta of really crushing legal stories for donald trump. it's not that he's just losing these cases, but some of the things the judges are saying, for example, in a civil lawsuit that was brought against donald trump's, for inciting an insurrection, the judge, who i have to say is a former public defender in the courts of washington d.c., back when i was across a cuter, very highly regarded, knows his way around the courtroom, he used words and phrases allowing that suit to go forward, like donald trump and his angry mob were working toward a common goal. he used the phrase, donald trump's call to collective action. and then i think, the most devastating phrase that the judge used, he described donald trump's conduct as the essence of civil conspiracy. jonathan, those are the words and phrases of federal crimes, like seditious conspiracy, and inciting an insurrecti

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absolutely no jokes about donald trump not being as rich as he says he is. one of the writers for the roast said that that, that was the red line for trump. any joke that suggests trump is not actually as wealthy as he claims to be. the comedian as sonic that rose to trump that night says trump's one rule was don't say i have less money than i say i do. his kids refer game, his wife was very game. this, money, net worth. this is trump's kryptonite. he wants sued a rip harder for daring to write that trump was not, in fact, a billionaire. he pursued the case for years. when trump sat down for a deposition in that suit, and the lawyers tried to pin down that he was actually worth, trump testified, under oath, quote, my net worth fluctuates and it goes up and down with the markets and with attitudes and with feelings, even my own feelings. feelings. donald trump lost that suit. hard to believe. i know. sometimes, donald trump needs something to backup whatever his feelings are about his net worth. he needs a piece of paper to show his sellers so that he can show

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before donald trump can sell it. timates of the trump organization stands to make, get this, 100 million dollar profit from the sale. in a letter to the gsa, the oversight committee of writes, quote, no one should be rewarded for providing false or misleading information to the federal government, or for seeking to profit off the presidency. joining us now, paul butler and glenn kirschner, both are msnbc legal analyst, and former federal prosecutors. glenn, i will start with you. it has been a week of bad legal news for donald trump. what is the likelihood, though, that trump will face any consequences? >> you know, how could he not, jonathan. you just went through the trifecta of really crushing legal stories for donald trump. and it is not just that he is losing these cases, but some of the things the judges are saying, for example, in the civil lawsuit that was brought against donald trump for inciting an insurrection, the judge who i have to say as a former public defender in the courts of washington d.c. back whe

when you have someone like donald trump, who doesn't care about anyone but donald trump, who doesn'tdoesn't concern him, he's thinking about his own attention and how he can make more money off the situation. it will be interesting to see how this shapes the republican party in the months going forward, especially if putin continues to double down, because there's a real divide between republicans who care about the country, but also don't want to see a worldwide incident especially with someone with nuclear arms, and then the other faction of the party that's consistently growing, the donald trump wing, where they're just so interested in xenophobia and following along with whatever rhetoric donald trump is saying, they fundamentally don't understand the danger putin poses. >> tim, there is a divide within the republican party on this, but there doesn't seem to be any daylight between the united states and the alliance when it comes to pushing back against putin. and that, i think, to my mind, is the more important relationship to pay attention to. >> i think, jonathan, it's importa

of course you'll remember from his time at the white house that donald trump loves a big truck pr stuntso last week trump invited the protesters to his new social media platform and called canadian prime minister justin trudeau's government post the mandate a far-left lunatic. a filmmaker and professor -- he ran -- he joins me now. avi lewis, give us a sense of where the domestic sense in canada's of these protests and the context more broadly about how the nation has battled covid. >> right, so i mean this is kind of our insurrection by air horn moment. i think it's part of the globalization of trumpism, frankly. we have seen the gofundme was the eighth largest gofundme in history. they raise $10 million in a little over two weeks. there's no way there's that much money in canada. so this is an expression of far-right populism and far-right organized that goes far beyond our borders. that said, it's really important for whatever any of us get on american tv to disabuse you of your very necessary but inflated liberal romanticism for canada. the country was shaken, a country which is nor

there's parts of this pence is basically trying to say, donald trump's attacking me. trump's administration from mike pence, and we won't, because mike pence, if he runs for the republican nomination, will have to say, i was donald trump's loyal vice president, and i'm proud of everything that happened except for that day on january 6th, which was un-american, but don't blame donald trump, blame his followers. that's going to be the posture he's going to take. that's not going to satisfy anybody, not the maga base and not people who think donald trump needs to be purged from the party. and i think mike pence is not a first-rate political talent, so i don't think he's going to be the guy who's going to be standing up opposite mike flynn and as amazing as it is to say, nicole, when you raise the flynn thing, i think if you look at the way the republican party looks today, especially after what we saw, and i know you talked about last hour with the rnc deciding without discussion or debate, as "the new york times" noted, that they are going to call january 6th legitimate

. >> mike pence breaks with donald trump as the gop censures two of their own for investigating january 6th, seemingly suggesting the events of that day were legitimate political discourse. trump's big lie chips away at the guardrails of democracy. >> you believe the election was stolen? >> i believe the election was rigged. >> we're back on the road with candidates who hope to have a big say in national results. >> one of the clear things that they're trying to do is have loyalists in all these offices. >> all the fall-out with new reporting from jonathan karl. plus, chris christie and sarah isgur on the fracture within the gop. >>> show of force. >> it's not the sum total of the deterrent actions we will take. >> 3,000 u.s. troops en route to plans for a possasiodai autut the latest with nati security a jake sullivan and ranking member of the house foreign affairs committee, michael mccaul. >> announcer: from abc news, it's "this week." here now co-anchor martha raddatz. >>> good morning and welcome to "this week." regardless of your personal ideology, it was an extraordinary moment i

is donald trump hurting it?le to move on from january 6th -- it's ironic because you hear constantly from republicans that democrats need to move on and then donald trump waltzes like the kool-aid man coming through the wall saying let's talk about january 6th again. let's go back to this. you heard matt gaetz condemning mike pence for having strong statements about how he could not actually overturn the election. this is a case in which if donald trump were a different version of donald trump they could move on. for donald trump the idea he lost the 2020 election, which he did, is the biggest slap in the face imaginable. i think you're going to see increasingly this year's elections and in 2024 whether or not you believe the big lie is going to be a litmus test. i think we're going to see that moving forward. it's interesting. people keep saying politicizing january 6th. january 6th was a political event. the point of january 6th was that someone who lost an election believed he didn't lose an election. that's

but never donald trump. but no, in fact, he did deliver those words. it is that the speech was so literally, unbelievable, coming from trump, everyone promptly forgot about it. it is worth remembering that what donald trump read from that teleprompter and the white house on january 7th maybe the reason he felt forced to deliver those remarks, that was would literally, everyone was saying. in the immediate aftermath of the attack on the capitol, democrats and republicans alike, it was the obvious reaction to any human, attacking the united states capitol is bad. the people who attacked it should be punished. the party's own statement on january 6th sounded much the same. quote, the members of the republican national committee strongly condemned the violence in and around the united states capitol building today in washington d. c.. these violent scenes we have witnessed do not represent acts of patriotism, but an attack on our country and its founding principles. unquote. that was the consensus on january six at the days immediately following. it across,

donald trump lost.ourse and somehow get to 270. republicans have lost the national popular vote, what, six out of seven times. six out of the last seven elections. i understand democrats, demographics aren't braying this same identical way the way the democrats would want but they're breaking the democrat's way. this is a losing long-term formula. i know everybody has their hair set on fire and running around in circles in the blogs on fear, but this is just a formula for losing if this is the dominant gene in the republican party, and they know it. >> well, i have not -- i think some of them know it and yet they're in the short term, because politics as you know, joe, is driven by short-term politics. they say, i understand, but if i am going to get pry married -- but as jeremy said, is this the party of donald trump or marjorie taylor greene. if that's the debate, that's not mainstream versus crazy, if that's what the party is deciding, which one of those losing formulas for the party in the long run,

after that performance it took the judge hours that, yes, donald trump, trump jr. and ivanka must comply with the depositions about the trump organization business practices. their testimony could be shared with the manhattan district attorney that is conducting a parallel criminal probe, or they could all just plead the fifth as eric did over 500 times. one thing that is important to understand here is the snowballing nature of trump's legal and financial legal predictment. today's ruling compelling trump and his children to testify is, in part, a result of mazara's, trump's accounting firm, abandoned him this week. the implication seems to be, yeah, this sketchy thing is exactly why you need to go testify about your business practices. but you know what? being compelled to testify to the new york attorney general may not even be the worst thing that has happened to donald trump as a result of the dodgy financial statements. as you know donald trump runs a hotel down the street from the white house, and he doesn't own the building but leases the building from the

was one year ago today that the second trial of donald trump in the senate, trump of course the only u.s. president in history to have been impeached lights. because only two presidents were impeach before. i'm president johnson, and president clinton. trump accounts for all presidential of peach mints. the second time of course was for inciting the deadly insurrection of january six. and that case was presented a year ago this week with jamming precision by the impeachment manager. >> after he knew that violence was underway at the capitol, president trump took actions that further incited the insurgency to be more inflame to take even more extreme selective and focused action against vice president mike pence. former president trump is also described by -- refusing requests to publicly and mediately, and forcefully call off the riots. and when he was told of the insurgents inside the capitol were trump supporters, the president said quote, well kevin, i guess these people are more upset about the election than you are. >> trump was ultimately acquitted at that trial. failing to get

look, i think donald trump doesn't run, the bench is actually pretty deep with talented people who have proven they know how to run for office. the question is always in my mind, is trump was uniquely situated to handle the media. he was really good. he had a decade of doing the apprentice and 50 years of being a public figure. so, but i know, look or some and de santis as you point out. his courage in leading in florida, in the face of a lot of back and forth has been impressive. and he's obviously a smart guy. you know, lovely family, all the kinds of things you expect, that i would say that the santas in florida and for the democrats, newsome in california are the 2 guys that if there's not, if it's not biden and trump, those are the 2 favorites i would say but i'm like some of the other republican possible said governor desantis has not said he wouldn't run if you can take that double negative if from so if trump's a candidate he's playing is comes very close to his chest. yeah. now if you some republicans believe the, the democrats on a busted flush. so might the real fight be for

the donald and let's remember you of the author of cool off one of the consent of the case for trump. the donald writing hi, once again, is the bookies favorite to, to make a comeback in the next presidential election? is it really going to be plain sailing from donald trump? well, i would say this, 1st of all, i don't celebrate anything a year out. it is true that the jo biden's up, whole numbers are bad and all that kind of stuff and that may be in november 2022 republicans will win. but a lot of things have gone in a different direction than i would have preferred in terms of, you know, america now has a very strong regulatory state whoever's present controls at and jo biden's, policies to me are, are not helpful and not good. so now look at the donald trump, the news came out in the last day or so because of our reporting requirements that he has raised. and i know that the british phrase, the english phrase that the british love is an obscene amount of money. and a truly is an obscene amount of money. you know, in politics, it's votes and money. and donald trump has a grassroots,

so the notion that donald trump wasn't involved in it is baseless. then it gets better. other people see that donald is paying attention to them so they want the attention themselves. the whole organization ran this way. it's crazy. so you come up with something more ludicrous. hey, all of the machines are being hacked by foreign entities. so let's confiscate them. yeah, yeah, we can confiscate them. let's get the fbi to do it, secret service, the national security agency, let's get the justice department. okay. you know, let's do this. and donald in his crazy mind is thinking, yeah, yeah, i can do this. i'm the president still. i can do this, right. i can do this. all you need is one person, one fool like a rudy or mark meadows and next thing you know he's out there and they're scratching out a document for him to sign. it's insane. it's not america. >> back in 2019 i think you told chris hayes that donald trump is not going to go without a fight. he's not going to go easily. turned out to be true. you and i talked on your podcast and you said the stuff that donald trump

respondents ivanka trump and donald trump jr. are also hereby order to appear for depositions within 21 days of the date of this order. the trump lawyers say they will appeal the judges ruling today. so, those 21 days might be extended by appeal. but in the paragraph, just above that order, in the second last paragraph of the judges eight-page opinion today, the judge makes a stunning, truly stunning, revelation, to justify his order. when he says that the attorney general has obtained copious evidence of possible financial fraud. the judge has examined all of the evidence that the attorney general has already obtained in this case. and a massive amount of documents. the only people who know what that evidence is are the attorney general's office, the trump lawyers, and the judge overseeing this case. in his opinion today, that judge has examined all of this evidence, all of it, and said, in the final analysis, a state attorney general commences investigating a business entity, a covers copious evidence of possible financial fraud

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donald trump junior.has been bragging to me about the bonkers early sales of the book. according to cnn, it's made nearly $20 million, so far. a sum that doesn't actually really stack up, in comparison to the early cells of trump's predecessors. but, when does the truth ever stopped team trump from bragging. joining me now, -- for president obama, and was also the official photographer in the reagan white house. pete, some much for coming. please explain to me how this works. to cover of your coffee table books about the obama presidency, both of them, they carry your name. yet, this coffee table book about the trump white house, for which trump served as, correct me if i'm wrong, he was president, not photographer. he lists his name on the cover -- are the photographers images, this is a week in which president was caught stealing documents, i should've gone to the archives, so you can understand my confusion. >> well, maggie, thanks for having me. he does have the right to use the photographs in a book,

. >> donald trump, ivanka trump, and donald trump jr. are ordered to testify. today's wild court hearing and why the ruling has a huge ramifications for the civil and criminal investigations. plus the sad collapse of a maga wannabe and what the trump endorsement actually means. new reporting on large clusters of miami voters mysteriously switching to republican without their knowledge. all in starts right now. good evening from new york, i'm chris hayes. tonight, at this, hour we are closely watching developments and ukraine and along its borders. as it appears, more and more likely that russia plans to invade that country. that imminent threat is the reason why the u.s. secretary of state, anthony blinken, appeared before the united nations to lay out in striking detail how that attack might unfold. >> first, russia plans to manufacture a pretext for its attack. this could be a violent event that russia will bring on ukraine or an outrageous accusation that russia will level against ukrainian government. second, in response to this manufactured provocation, the

one featuring donald trump and one featuring donald trump, jr.. if trump senior runs, the primary voters will be about 50% according to -- would support president trump. ron desantis and president trump garnering just over 10% in that polling. other names that got significant numbers, mitt romney, ted cruz, nikki haley. this is linda out of birmingham, alabama. you are next. caller: good morning. how are you? host: i am doing well, linda. your view on mike pence and his role in the republican party today? caller: there was no reason for him to send those electoral accounts back to the states. there was no fraud noted. the big lie was going on then, the big lie was going on now. donald trump lost that election. host: as a republican, did you vote for trump in 2020 -- 2021? caller: no. host: who is the last republican you voted for that you like? caller: george bush. host: who did you vote for in 2016? caller: i voted for hillary clinton. host: what makes you if republican here today, linda? caller: i am headed out of that. host: you are headed out

but if you're kevin, you need donald trump and the republican base.titive districts overall and he's made the calculation, he keeps the base and takes the risk you might get unelectable candidates up and down the line but they've taken it to the point that mcconnell said he's interested in what the committee finds out, mccarthy said the whole thing is a political witch hunt. we'll see which is most effective in the goal they share of not having to talk about this anymore. >> joe manchin and lisa murkowski very vocal. do you anticipate it will have a smooth pass and or are there speed bumps along the way? >> smooth eventually. there's broad bipartisan interest in doing something to shore up the act to make it clear the vice president has no role but a ceremonial one. maybe make some improvements to how votes are counted by the time they get to washington. but there's been no pen to paper, no legislative text or agreement on what goes into this bill. i think we're a long way before anything heads to the president's desk. >> garrett haake, thank you for

and the big lie is being espoused by donald trump. so, i'm wondering, will being rid of trump be enough to turn the party around? or is the big lie so baked in that no matter who the standard bearer of the party is, it is still going to be going down this very dangerous route? >> yeah, it's part of the litmus test now. the litmus test of the republican party used to be where you start a national security, on tax reform, on -- judges. very legitimate political discourse, right? that is out the window. litmus test now is whether you believe in this absurd, dangerous lie that there was fraud in the election. and anything that donald trump seems to spout. this is so shameful. these people have no shame. and the american people are politically homeless, like myself, who are conservatives, are looking at a party destroying itself. and not only is it destroying itself, they've are becoming a clear and present danger to our democracy. because what they are spouting and what they are supporting and putting on a platform, is authoritarian its na

six when donald trump was reportedly gleefully watching the attack on the television staffers watchede television screens are positioned throughout the west wing, trump's attention was so wrapped that he hit rewind and watched certain moments again, according to stephanie grisham who is a former white house press secretary. look at all of the people fighting for, me trump said, according to grisham. at one point, the president was confused why staffers were not as excited as he was marching the unrest unfold. today we learned eight another crime donald trump apparently committed. we learned it from a source that is not usually involved in exposing crimes by public officials, the national archives. today, the national archives revealed that they had to go to donald trump's florida hotel where he currently lives to retrieve it 15 boxes of presidential records that donald trump illegally removed from the white house. in a statement released by the archivists of the united states today, they said the national archives quote, perdue's is the return of records whenever we learn that records

today, chair benny thompson said this about under oath testimony from donald trump's daughter. >> whatp? he said her deposition was scheduled. is that something you are still hoping for? >> yes. >> do you plan for her to appear? >> we don't know. sometimes things slide to another day or another week. [inaudible] >> today, politico is reporting that donald trump spent his final days as president of the united states considering how to pardon members of the trump mob who attacked the capitol. according to "politico", during january 6th and joe biden's inauguration on the 20th, trump made recalls saying, do you think i should pardon them? do you think it's a good idea? do you think i have the power to do it? trump told the person who summarize the conversations. -- is it everybody that had a trump sign or everybody who walked into the capitol that could be pardoned, trump asked, according to that advisor. he said, some people think i should pardon them. he thought, if he could do it, these people would never have to testify or be deposed. joining us now is democratic congressman adam schi

but during the campaign and presidency of donald trump, it was different of course. rump's prairies and lawlessness happened out in the open. which bizarrely acted as an excuse as though the brazenness was itself a form of scandal and insulation. if you think of trump's famous russia if you're listening moment in the summer of 2016 when he called on a foreign adversary to illegally hack hillary clinton's emails. that happened during the live press conference in florida. back in september 2019, it was the white house itself that release the notes from these -- so-called perfect phone call with ukrainian president where trump pressured him to dig up dirt on the bidens. and when trump realized the transcript might not be so perfect after all, his defense was to do the same thing again, only this time in public. >> mister president, what exactly did you hope zelensky would do about the biden after you did the phone call? >> well i would think that if they were honest about it, and some major investigation into the bidens. it's a very simple answer. they should investigate