that is a donald trumpism 101. the refusal to explain that the firing of the press aide came bre directly from trump. saying i straightly decided not to answer your question. i mean the interview had a lot of trump feel to it. i think -- with some scaramucci genius. not unlike with analy-- anthony one of the most intelligent people i know, and that's why his response was, well, i said you're not answering the question. that suggests that it was a president. the well it's because you're no the a derivative thinker. he's a smart guy. >> he's a smart guy in that he understands what donald trump likes are people who look and sound like donald trump. and i think he did a lot of that in that interview. he regularly talked about search people loved donald trump. you know, i think donald trump watching that and frankly, let's be honest. we know he watches this stuff. anthony understand ps the best way to keep your job in this white house is to make the boss happy and the best way to do that is to talk like the boss. >> you

. >> well, donald trump doesn't care about trumpism. he only cares about donald trump.les, the idealology, the policies, none of that matters. all that matters is his narrow, direct self-interests. that's what we're seeing with his treatment of jeff session, which from a policy standpoint doesn't make sense at all. >> thank you both. >>> still to come, she was a navy s.e.a.l. for more than 20 years and left the military and came out as transgender. i'll speak to kristen beck about today's ban, next. when heartburn hits fight back fast with new tums chewy bites. fast relief in every bite. crunchy outside. chewy inside. tum tum tum tum new tums chewy bites. over the course of 9 days sthe walks 26.2 miles,. that's a marathon. because he chooses to walk whenever he can. and he does it with support from dr. scholl's. only dr. scholl's has massaging gel insoles that provide all-day comfort to keep him feeling more energized. so he even has the energy to take the long way home. keep it up, steve! dr. scholl's. born to move. i needed something more to help control my type 2 dia

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donald trump/jeff sessions show down. >> the problem for bannon is that, if jeff sessions is the true believer in trumpism, he believed inp did and bannon too believes in them deeply and understand that sessions is the most important cabinet member and one of the only people able to carry that part of trump's agenda. a lot of what he's been doing is enforcement and legislation through congress which we have seen republicans have awfully a lot getting done. tho o no one seems to know how to make it stop. >> if jeff sessions is the only cabinet member who's carrying out that trump agenda that he campaigned on and trump is going after him aggressively that it is clear it is personal for trump and it is about the russia investigation. how does the republicans see it as anything besides that? >> the problem that you have bannon and sessions and so on, they're true believers and they're idea logs. trump is an opportuni-- >> it stands for nothing. >> trump believes none of this stuff. and even that has he points out in your book it was contrive. it was handed to him. >> say that again? >> it was contrite. i tell the story of th

frustrated that trump is doing this because jeff sessions represents trumpism in all it is meant to stand for with more enthusiasm than probably donaldmp himself. >> richard, there are no legal experts with whom we've talked, and maybe i'm just not talking to a broad enough group of them, who suggest that jeff sessions should have done it differently. in other words, once this issue became one of whether jeff sessions had interaction with the russians or what he was doing on behalf of the campaign, his only logical choice was to recuse himself other than resigning. >> well, yes. he had to recuse. he was working for the campaign and the campaign now we know that the campaign did collude with the russians. that was a meeting in the trump tower where they did discuss the dirt on hillary and also the sanctions issue if three people there from the russia side wanted the sanctions lifted. this investigation involves the campaign. attorney general sessions when he was a u.s. senator had worked with the campaign. he clearly needed to recuse. he did the right thing there. and as i said, the om reason the president wishes he didn't recuse was

trumpism, there was session-ism. before that it was just called racism, but you know. ( cheers and applause ) >> stephen: it makes you question whether anybody would trust donalditics is all about, you know, "i do a favor, you do me a favor." but trump say little bit more "you do me a favor and stabbing time." >> yeah. >> stephen: a year ago you wrote an open letter predicting donald trump would win. when no one else thought he was going to win, you said, "no, i think he's going to win." so, first of all, congratulations? >> no, no. >> stephen: you were right. >> no, i've never wanted to be more wrong in my life. well, i live in michigan. ( cheers ) right, so i was trying to warn the rest of the country, out here, people who voted for obama were telling me they were going to vote for him. and it was lining oh, wow. and so, you know, i actually contacted the people in the clinton campaign and said, "i think you need to spend more time in michigan, wisconsin, ohio, pennsylvania. these are the brexit states of america. and there's a lot of angry people. they don't sort of like trump that much, but they see him as their human molotov cocktail that they want to jus