you love to talk about donald trump. joe biden is the president, but you know what the elephant is in the room in virginia and new jersey? it's donald trump because he's not only dialing in. he is calling in the shots for the republicans. that's why we have all these cultural wars. >> you're thinking about the energy question. we are seeing a lot of democrats. this isn't, like, democrats being the supporters of the joe biden. this is, like, democrats saying, i don't have the think about politics right now. you're seeing for a lot of people who have been incredibly plugged in for the last four years, they are disconnected. republicans are more connected because they're in opposition. republicans like being in opposition. >> he wins by 2.9 points, let's say. this will be seen as a rebuke of the progressives who have not figured out that they do not speak for the vast majority of americans and most americans when they hear him speak, they think, oh my. that's not even the language i'm talking about. a data guru had incredib

if we didn't learn from what donald trump did, it'll be worse. going a long way to preventing what donald trump was able to do financially, benefiting from being president while he was in the oval office, having foreign actors stay at his hotels, so there's an urgency here. we can't just say, well, that's the past, we should move on, because a more corrupt, competent president could come into the oval office. >> what do you think your house colleagues on the republican side would say if president hillary clinton profited off the presidency in a hypothetical world? >> that's right. there would be endless hearings after hearings. we'd never stop hearing about it. and so that's why i think it's actually in republicans' interest to join us in making sure that we have more good government legislation in place. if they have any concerns about joe biden, i certainly don't. i think he's one of the most honest persons to be president. but if they want to hold him accountable, this is not aimed at donald trump anymore. it's aimed at the current occupant an

that voted overwhelmingly for donald trump in the last two election cycles.ident. this is from the wall street journal, my preference is that donald trump has a role in the direction of our country and party and some influence over candidates, but i think it would be best for someone else to become the standard bearer. that was mark lundberg, a financial adviser and former republican chairman and northwest iowa soucie, one of the most conservative areas in the state. he was twice impeached. is he really a popular figure for president in iowa now? >> look, i watched him and i know that chuck grassley tomorrow is going to go stand on a stage with the former president. this guy, who told his supporters, on january 6th, to march to the capital while they were wearing trump hats, trump t-shirts, and they beat our capitol police officers with trump flags and american flags, and chuck grassley saw that. he saw that happen, our governor saw that happen. and now, tomorrow, they are gonna go stand on a stage with him and essentially endorse that behavior. it is despica

it was donald trump. he's subject number one wherever he's listed and walks away and that's what worries people is that this man lived 73 or however many years with impunity and people wonder when that's going to end. >> well, there is one key difference, donald trump was president. he is no longer president right now so i think to glen's point, it does make a difference if he starts to get implicated in something that is an existing grand jury as is a regular ol' person walking up and down the street. now, i think the other critical point here is he is absolutely going to get scrutiny, if, if this committee continues to be aggressive. because frankly, there is no reason they cannot subpoena him. and remember that executive privilege is the weakest privilege there is. meaning, it is -- we don't know what the supreme court would do but i'd love to see the litigation party that would happen around subpoenaing donald trump. so look, i think what is critical here is the democrats have to go hard and they have

and that's donald trump. going further and further and right in the, state all the way from the early nineties, up into the late 2000s. but then in 2016, 2017, it when that one step further. over the cliff. and the fact that trump still hovers so large in our political conversation, in that all these texas republicans are terrified, that if they were to do what you just suggested, which we used to do to back in the 20th century, which was moderate their policies. trump would come after them. and they will lose their jobs in their power and perks and all that stuff. it's really the perfect microcosm, of the dynamics that have been polarizing or politics. and in particular the dynamics that have driven that party into this place of extremism. that risk the kind of backlash the year saying before, that i think a lot of people now see coming. that this could be, they've gone one step too far. now they will pay a price. fairly soon. >> john heilemann, thank you for joining us from texas tonight. anyone who wants t

and that is donald trump.he way from the early '90s to the late 2000s. and the fact trump still hovers so large in our political conversation and all these texas republicans are terrified if they were to do what you just suggested, which we used to do back in the 20th century which is to moderate their policies, trump will come after them and they will get primaried and lose their jobs and their power and all the perks and that stuff. it really is the perfect microcosm of the dynamics that had been polarizing our politics and driven the republican party into this place of extremism that risks the kind of electoral backlash you were citing before that i think a lot of people see coming. they've gone one step too far and they're going to pay a price fairly soon. >> thank you for joining us from texas tonight. and anyone who wants to hear the profane version, it's sunday night on show time, "the circus." >> thanks, lawrence. >>> and coming up, republicans have become the first political party in american history

obviously, he's a proxy for donald trump. but it's also republicans going on the record with their true views about how disposable congress really is. 202 republicans don't think that congress is thing on the same level as donald trump in exile at mar-a-lago. and i wonder if you can answer a question that i asked just about everyone. can a single party protect this country from a radicalized party sort of high on misinformation, disdainful of their own institutions authority and prerogative? >> that's the question of the age, nicole. the good news is we had nine members of the republican caucus do the right thing today, do the principled thing. when we saw the last impeachment of donald trump we had a number of republican senators, many of whom are suffering the attacks of donald trump because of that, stands up and do the right thing. but, no, it is not at all clear that one party, abiding by the norms and the rules -- i have got to tell you, this is really hard for me to say. because i am kind of a norms and rules guy. i am

donald trump. you look around and see how well the republicans did across the nation with the 2020 election even though they lost again in the house. they did much better in the house and state legislatures than anybody would have thought they would have done. he offended suburban voters and educated voters. we had riots launched against the united states, sponsored by donald trump and brought to thank you by donald trump. a man who refused to call them off while they were going on. anyway, a lot of controversies there. i am not so sure jonathan lemire there is more controversy there than there was in fenway last night. let's get to the highlights. let's talk through this. >> the stakes were just as high, our future of democracy in the balance of the after math at fenway park last night. here is the play. you can see this. it bounces off and goes into the bullpen. if that ball stayed in the field, the runner would score. and it's automatic two bases and the umpire does not have the discretion. the

going down to mar-a-lago to lick donald trump's boots. abandoning our constitution certainly. >> for sure. >> and the peaceful transition. >> we need to stop following donald trump and we should not have followed him in the first place at all and she too because of 2024 is doing everything she can to get back to donald trump's good graces. mika, this is not going to work and that's the thing that is so disturbing is that these people are lining up behind a guy who was cheering on rioters and cheering on people who actually, the people who are of constitutional conservatives. people who were doing very best committing seditions against the united states and stopping the peaceful counting of the electoral votes. if you look at conspiracy of u.s. sedition in the u.s. code, that's what they are doing. i am not sure why all of these people going before the courts that were doing these things are not getting the full 20 years in prison. >> well, for those who were trying to get the testify, those who were close to president trump and part of th

they checked a box and that box was for donald trump or against donald trump.ally no one watching the program and no one in america voted for joe biden. what they got was goa. howie: i certainly would you agree that biden ran as the nontrump. leslie, all of thighs columns i'm -- these columns i'm seeing in the liberal magazines like the atlantic saying donald trump could win in 2024 fair and scare without state legislatures manipulating the vote i think is a sign that in the opinion and the way the coverage is going that they think biden is in some trouble. >> well, they're going to have any time a poll dips, they're going to say who is the next guy. so at this moment in time, the snapshot in time, let's talk 30 days from now and see what they're writing. i bodies agree. i think -- i would disagree. you want to look at polling and voters. the pro-trump candidates out there have not been winning or leading with huge margins. just look at the gubernatorial race in virginia, it is neck and neck and that's a trump backed candidate on the right. in addition to that,

and mary trump has a lawsuit against donald trump, for that trauma -- and, donald trump is going to have a good experience for him. >> now, he -- again, he's the most litigious person who's ever held the presidency, by far. and he filed a new lawsuit today. this is a lawsuit where he's trying to block the turning over of the documents from his administration, that the -- president biden has said do not deserve executive privilege and shouldn't be said to the january six committee. in this lawsuit, it seems possible that he could also open himself up to a deposition in that lawsuit. >> it's another, just bust baseless lawsuit that he filed. he does not have standing, president biden possesses executive privilege, he can wave it. and so by injecting himself into more litigation, donald trump is i think, going to cause more problems for himself. he's used to controlling the justice department and be able to play games, but i don't think that's going to happen. the courts are going to lose patience with him. and, so, i think that that's -- he's going to have to see the preliminary injunction

donald trump released a statement saying we know who the officer is. now he's gone a step further and taken up martyrdom. >> we must all demand justice for ashley and her family. so on this solemn occasion as we celebrate her life, we renew our call for a fair and nonpartisan investigation into the death of ashli bobbitt. >> the purpose of trump's involvement here is about the perceived nobility of what she was doing. in support of a larger movement to violently overthrow the duly elected government of the united states and it's a project donald trump remains committed to. when he calls the election rigged and says it was quote, a day of protesting the fake election results. he is endorsing it. over and over. even in light of all that, we are seeing the chuck grassleys of the world and everyone else at the party taking his endorsement and defending him on tv. the larger point here one made last week among others is a point we have cited on this show. as long as donald trump remains the likely nominee of the republican party, as long as he is the presum

if you look at 2020, yes, donald trump lost the presidency. but they didn't see the sort of beating that republicans could have taken in congressional races, for example. that's why we have an evenly split congress and an attempt to hold on to that power any way you can. i think that's why you see attacks on election laws. they know that voting right just because they know fewer people that vote the better they make out and something more broadly going on with donald trump himself. he is out of office but one thing i found interesting about this senate report was saying how his ongoing claims that the election was stolen, ongoing perpetuation of the big lie continues to pose a threat. the threat is not over after him leaving office. it is a thing that's spurring folks like those that storms the capitol on january 6 to take those actions and that there could be more so this is a really serious report. yes, it lays out with detail to reporting we have seen done in the past and creates a clear message for americans. why they should care about thi

he'll go to the mat for donald trump and what donald trump wants to do is delay, delay, delay and let this sit in the courts as -- until the end of 2022 when the committee effectively runs out. >> daniel gold man, thank you very much for joining us tonight. really appreciate it. >> my pleasure. >> thank you. >>> coming up, police in iowa are investigating a lynching threat made against the state's first black democratic party chair. ross willburn after he wrote an op ed. he will join us next. n op ed. he will jo uins next as someone who resembles someone else... i appreciate that liberty mutual knows everyone's unique. that's why they customize your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need. oh, yeah. that's the spot. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty ♪ wealth is breaking ground on your biggest project yet. worth is giving the people who build it a solid foundation. wealth is shutting down the office for mike's retirement party. worth is giving the employee who spent half his life with you, the party of a lifetime. wealth is watching your business

in other words, if republicans do not get in line behind donald trump and do what he says, then donald trump will be forced to give his voters their marching orders to essentially sit out the next few elections and cost republicans votes. recently, the republican fundraising arm for the house sent a message to its donors that was hard not to read as anything but an extension of that same threat. they sent the following note to donors who had yet to send money to further the republican cause quote you're a traitor, you abandoned trump. this is your final chance to prove your loyalty or be branded a deserter. a traitor. for not making a donation to a political party. the editorial board over at the "wall street journal" put a finer point on this escalation we have seen in the last week ago or so, regarding donald trump's vice grip over the republican party. this is their headline, donald trump's hostage politics. he says republicans must agree that the 2020 election was stolen or he'll aid the democrats. last week when i was sitting here for rachel, we talked to fiona hill, a top russia

citing donald trump's previous claims of executive privilege. the committee is making good on its vow to ensure that no one, not even an ex-president claiming executive privilege is above the law. following the committee's vote, a vote will be put to the full house floor to refer steve bannon to the justice department for criminal contempt and though joe biden has signalled his full support for prosecution of bannon, the justice department will have discretion over what happen next and how bannon will be held accountable for refusing to cooperate. overnight, the committee put out a report detailing the legal case against steve bannon. and underscoring his role in the events leading up to the january 7 insurrection. from that report, quote, in short, bannon appears to have played a multifaceted role in the events of january 6. the american people are entitled to his his testimony. the select committee expects such testimony will be directly relevant to its report and its recommend days for legislative and other action. they add that mr. bannon's

with donald trump himself. he is out of office. but one thing that i found very interesting about this senate report, was saying that, his ongoing claims, that the election was stolen, his ongoing perpetuation of the big lie, continues to pose a threat, the threat is not over. after him leaving office, it's one of the things that is spring, and worrying folks like those who stormed the capitol on january 6th, to take those actions in that there would be more. this is a really serious report, yes it lays out and gives details on reporting that we've already seen. done in the past. but it also really creates a very clear message for americans, why they should care about, that is why this is a big deal, and why this is still an ongoing threat given that the president continues, the former president, continues to play. >> sam, i saw you on social media tonight, commenting on this. let's talk about chuck grassley. he gets a past, generally impressed coverage all day long and weighs on sundays. as the kind of cantankerous, but lovable, d

most of the world accepted it but the former president donald trump never did. he filed a succession of lawsuits to prove election had been stolen. he failed in every effort in court. everyone. that wasat stage i. having failed in court to the most outlandish series imaginable that was considered normal for the likes of rudy giuliani and then in the second phase it was to convince the department of justice and the attorney general to intervene in the election results and to reach out directly as the president did himself personally to the election officials and stays with you that he should have one but he didn't. so all that effort was underway when william bar president trumps attorney general at the time issued a statement saying there was no evidence of widespread fraud in the election. that was disappointing to the president. in the middle of december of last year william bar, the attorney general announced he would resign as of december 23. the man was choosing as the acting attorney general, jeffrey rosen and at his side deputy attorney general. there was

donald trump refuses to accept the results. unfortunately we have one of the world's great political parties which has followed him off of the ledge of this electoral lunacy. >> claire, it seems to me the logical next person to be subpoenaed would be andy biggs if it was me. what do you think? >> well, all three of them. i mean, we have a witness who is now saying -- who has said publicly if you are investigating this that he was in coordination and cooperation with members of congress. now it may turn out after they're subpoenaed and we get their testimony that there was not anything that was beyond blind loyalty to a guy who doesn't understand the rule of law or what our democracy is all about, but we now know that there is someone who planned this that says he was working with members of congress. so them trying to avoid saying what they know is just not going to come out in the wash. and i will tell you this, joy, having talked to some of the members, they are determined not to be trumped in this investigation, and by that

this is donald trump this weekend in iowa. listen. >> first of all, he didn't get elected, forgot that. when you hear the numbers of swing states, there was no reason to concede. they should have conceded. mitch mcconnell didn't have the courage to challenge the election. he should have challenged the election. >> donald trump is on that stage with chuck grassley who is running for re-election election, a senior member of mitch mcconnell's senate republicans, on the stage with a republican member of congress, the electoral college comes to the house first on the stage with the iowa republican party and is targeting mitch mcconnell there. he's targeted secretary of states and tried to elect governors in these swing states that would make -- maybe make different decisions in 2024 and now standing on that stage, and there's chuck grassley right there, essentially phil mattingly laying the groundwork, if republicans take the senate, let's dump mitch mcconnell who said no in 2020. >> first the absurdity of dumping the guy that is r

well, sure, of course donald trump did that. and so the idea that donald trump had turn mccarthy to something he was no longer my view after reading my book. >> i think he's absolutely right. it's certainly kevin mccarthy was made for a moment like this. he is who he is and in fact, one of the things as you note throughout the book, something that robert carol says in the story, it may not reveals the best of us but it reveals a lot of who we are. power has revealed who mccarthy is and even scalise when he was on chris wallace's program to state the fact that the election was not stolen. it revealed a lot about bill barr and a lot frankly on the very inspiring and positive side like maria yanovich. everyone is entitled to their own facts and the idea that he can step foot in the speaker's office is terrifying in life. >> tell us about the idea if republicans win, control the house back in the next election next year. kevin mccarthy becomes speaker, what does it mean for the country in the next two years of the biden's presidency

chuck grassley knows that and so does donald trump. but the fact of the matter is, even 88 year old seven terms senators who are in the pantheon of republican politicians in this country, need trump support. or at least the lack of opposition to stay in power. or maybe they just feel like they do, frankly, i think the little untested of chuck grassley told donald trump to go to hell. what would happen? it's hard to find out where perception and reality begins. but in the end it doesn't really matter because grassley is up there. he is effectively endorsing trump as he accepts trump's endorsement, and that's the calculation that senator grassley is making. just listen to congressman squeeze leave from louisiana. a guy who's the house minority win, pretty die hard module guy generally. means he is the second most powerful person in the house in here's on fox news over the weekend refusing to answer the one question most likely to anger the former president. >> do you think the 2020 election was stolen from donald trump? >> well of course

the president was donald trump. until that moment, many americans believed these people you're seeing only existed in the shadows of society, not on the streets out in the open, loud and proud. you know what happened next? counterprotests ensued. that earning a led to violence and avowed neo-nazis plowed his car into heather heyer. hate that was on display again this week during opening statements in the federal civil trial against organizers of that unite the right rally. don't forget trump's response in 2017 that there were, quote, fine people on boat sides. if charlottesville happened today, would we, the american people, be as shocked now as we were then? for the past four years, far-right violence has become more widespread in part because that same frustration and hate has been harnessed to help the gop hold on to power. if that was not true, would ted cruz have gotten away with what he did this week, defending parents who gave nazi salutes at school board meetings. >> at this point we're living under corporat

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for donald trump. and what donald trump wants to do is delay, delay, delay. and let this sit in the courts, until the end of 2022, when the committee effectively runs out. >> danielle, thank you very much for joining us tonight, we really appreciate it. >> my pleasure. >> thank you. coming up the police in iowa are investigating a lynching, threat made against the state's first black democratic party chair. ross wilbur. after he row an op-ed, about republican lawmakers, in an iowa newspaper, ross wilbur, and will join us next. ross wilbur, and will join us next. and will join us next. with access to financial advice, tools and a personalized plan that helps you build a future for those you love. vanguard. become an owner. bogeys on your six, limu. vanguard. they need customized car insurance from liberty mutual so they only pay for what they need. woooooooooooooo... we are not getting you a helicopter. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ ♪ darling, i, i can't get enough

pete, the white house rejected donald trump's requests.e national archives then turn over those documents to the january 6th committee? >> reporter: depends on what a federal judge says. there have been three letters from the white house now waving executive privilege. first sort nf response to a request from the committee that the archives be passed along. two other letters include the one last night directly responding to president trump's assertion of executive privilege and the white house saying "we don't agree." the former president asked a federal court to block this because without intervention by the court, the archivist will begin handing them over november 12th. a hearing november 4th evalue ace request. and then wanting to write legislation, needs to have a legislative purpose and has an identified one and secondly, he still has some level of executive privilege even though he's the former president. those are the things that the court will have to work out. this whole idea congress needs a legitimate lawmaking purpose is an ar

of course donald trump did the. and so, the idea that donald trump had to somehow turn kevin mccarthy, corrupt mitt and car thief into something he wasn't, is no longer my view, after reading your book. >> i think that's absolutely rates. it certainly, kevin mccarthy was made for a moment like, this but he is doing, is in he's always been a suspect, who he is today. in fact, one of the running themes as you know throughout the book, is something that robert carroll, the historian once said, that power does not corrupt as much as reveals, it may not reveal the best, of us but it reveals a lot about who we are. and power has revealed more and more, about who kevin mccarthy is. it revealed on sunday who stephen scalise, is when he was unable on chris wallace's program, to simply state the fact that the election was not stolen. it revealed about bill barr. it revealed a lot frankly, and the very inspiring and positive side about people like maria bonavista, and alexander vindman, it's not all stories of villainy, there

when you haven't seen donald trump in a few weeks and glen youngkin does not present as a donald trump type person. but when donald trump inserts himself in this and you remind him and see him every day it's going to stick more. i'm sure glen youngkin would love donald trump for the next two weeks to just shut up. >> there was an interview where senator cassidy, i think it was, a republican of louisiana, said he would not want donald trump to be the nominee. he would not support him, but yet, at the same time, there's a new poll i just saw out earlier today showing a significant amount and in fact a higher percentage than just a few months ago of republican voters want trump to run for president in 2024. >> well, look, he has a popularity with the republican party and so in our virginia governors race, the candidate glen youngkin has said he'll support donald trump in 2024. he has aligned himself with the anti-masking, anti-vaccine requirement provisions that have been in place in virginia as a resident there, it's been a proet ty pretty good place to right oud the pandemic. the polici

what do you think lawyers will ask donald trump?y to assault the protesters who have brought this lawsuit. and, you know, it's interesting because it's a low profile case from the presidential campaign. but it does represent the first time that donald trump is going to be asked a question like that under oath. and i think that a world of lawyers, prosecutors, investigators, are going to be listening for that answer. >> okay. so when you say whether the president directed them to rough these people up, how could that be verbally expressed? because we've heard donald trump saying himself, in rallies over the years, he would like to knock somebody out, or he's going to rough somebody up. is that the kind of thing that could get him into trouble legally here? would it have to be "i want you to beat them up"? how is that going to work, the interpretation of what he said? >> well, the protesters who have sued him are going to want to use the kind of evidence that you've just described, alex, where we can impute to him the direction of his

the voting isn't just about what happened to donald trump.? how can i hold them accountable? what can happen in my community? what roads are going through? what bridges are getting built? what jobs are coming here? the vote is related to all these things which affect trump voters as much as biden voters in this but again we have a perfect example as donald trump has no respect, no respect for his own voters. none. because if he says, basically, because i didn't get what i want, you shouldn't vote, you shouldn't participate in election, in an election that may actually improve their lives, he doesn't want them to vote because of his own personal grievance in this. i think this is more an example of donald trump, and he seems to have success at this, getting politicians, yanking the chain of republican politicians to do exactly what he wants. it's happened here in texas. he says something -- he coughs and they go running to do whatever he thinks they ought to do in this. so it has more to do with that, but to me, it's just another sign of respe

why would donald trump have wanted to do that? >> so yeah, so jeffrey clark is exactly the opposite of mr. rosen. he wanted to burn down our democracy. he was going to do everything he could to keep the former president in office, even though trump lost. and i think jeffrey clark has a lot to answer for. i hope that he does cooperate and he tells the january 6th commission what the commission wants to know. >> okay. committee chair penny thompson is giving new insight into how former president trump could factor into this investigation. take a look at what he said. >> are you ruling out or ruling in the possibility of eventually subpoenaing trump? >> well, i would say this at this point, wolf, nobody is off limits to a subpoena from this committee. >> so i'm going to ask it to you this way. is there any way you see this probe ending without a subpoena for donald trump? >> that's really up to the january 6th commission. i do note that 57 u.s. senators on a bipartisan basis voted to convict donald trump in an impeachment trial, even

that government official being donald trump.re federal rules that say, when something like that happens to your company, the federal government can cancel all dealings with you. >> yeah, they absolutely should suspend the trump organization. they've done it for less. arthur anderson was suspended on an indictment alone during the enron matter. and you could do that here. the trump organization has been indicted, it's entered into settlements with the new york attorney general involing fraud. >> and let's clarify what the trump company owns. they don't own the building. they own a lease, a long lease, and that lease is with the federal government, and they can sell that lease to someone else. >> yeah. if gsa approves the buyer, they can sell it. it's nearly a 100-year lease, when you count the options for renewal. this is an enormous commodity that the federal government gave and then illegally allowed the trump organization to retain, and then failed to conduct any meaningful oversight during the trump era. >> what about now? wh

and what does donald trump do?hat he needs to launch his revenge tour and he's pouring kerosene on it so it is a dangerous moment that's becoming more dangerous, especially because there are republicans who are looking on, saying, we could push back against this. we could resist this. we could tell the truth. but they're not going to do it. so, yes, we are in this very dangerous spiral, and chris krebs is a professional. he knows how dangerous it is, and i'm glad that he's sounding the alarm. >> i don't like ever putting the clean-up on one of the two parties. this is about the collapse of the republican party, about it descending into not just dysfunction but something that is actually hurting the country, the move away from our democratic norms. that stipulated, errin haines, one of the remedies is to protect the right to vote, the access to the polls, and to protect this accounting. a lot of these suppression laws have nullification measures in them. what is your understanding of the current state of a carveout

lap dog for donald trump. >> and tonight word that donald trump may be about to drop a bomb on this race, announcing that trump plans to participate in a tele rally just hours before virginia voters go to the polls. it's unclear if youngkin will participate in that tele-rally saying if he'd like to be governor of virginia, he will. up to this point, youngkin has kept trump at arm's length, rarely mentioning him on the trail. if trump stumps for youngkin on monday, will he use the final four hours to help the republican in what has become a very close race, or will trump continue to make false claims about the last election that he lost, including doubling down on this ridiculous assertion that his 10-point loss to biden in virginia as as a result of election fraud. >> i didn't campaign there because i was told you can't win there, but i was very close in virginia. probably because i've heard bad things about their voting, very, very bad things. it was largely mail-in and i've heard a lot of bad things about virginia. i would say i would win virginia easily. >> trump lost and he lost big.

well, i do, donald trump, donald trump, donald trump, donald trump. >> former president trump.mp,. >> is there a problem with trunk being here? >> 24 times we think shocking late joe biden support does not really seem to be paying off. the latest box poll shows glenn youngkin eight-point lead over terry mcauliffe. that is a reversal from earlier this month when he was had by ten points but with me now talk about this is fox news bull codirector during a shot thank you for joining us. >> wonderful to be here. gerry: this is a remarkable poll was on the first of and to show glenn youngkin such a strong lead. we don't know the result i'm not going to ask get your crystal ball and tell us for what he want to get at is clearly there's a big shift going on in virginia. whether or not terry mcauliffe is going to pull it out right what art does this tell us what are the national implications of this off year? >> that is what everyone wants to know. is it a massive republican resurgence in 2022 or not? real briefly the macro and micro elements to this. it's very most predictive of what

but of course donald trump is not on the ballot. this will really be a test of how resonant he remains in voters' minds now that he is off in mar-a-lago. >> cuts both ways, indeed. jonathan lemire, i want to ask you what does this possible subpoena of a guy like eastman mean about the intent and speed of this 1/6 committee? >> thank you, brian, i appreciate all of that. it shows that the january 6th committee is certainly not just going to be content to with the headlines out of the referral for criminal prosecution of steve bannon. that of course has been a central focus to this point. bannon refusing to testify. now could face criminal charges and if convicted even a year in prison. he has told people close to him, though, i've reported, that he'd welcome that, that he would embrace the idea of being a maga martyr, if you will. as far as eastman goes, it goes to show that the breadth of this investigation is continuing to grow, that it won't just be the bold-faced names. eastman is someone who a lot of americans hadn't heard of un

donald trump lost bigly, fair and square.but by saying and doing nothing, they put in motion the dismantling of our democracy, and i think that's what our old boss george w. bush is speaking to. they are of the same cloth of domestic violent extremist, the majority of them animated by stop the steal, believing the election was fraudulent, and they believe that because of mitch mcconnell and kevin mccarthy. they signalled that donald trump needed to cry it out, and they ripped the country apart. >> that's right old friend. good to see you. i wish the democrats had the same fierce urgency of the republicans to protect our democracy as the republicans do to poison it, and think about this, donald trump knows that if you repeat the lie enough, people will believe it. there's proof in the pudding. 57% of the country believe there was fraud in the election, despite zero evidence, after a year of lawsuits, millions of dollars spent, an audit paid for by the republican party in arizona. lieutenant governor dan patrick in texas offeri

how much does donald trump have to pay to cover your legal fees?thank you so much for having me on. i would love to say i feel relieved. remember, this is just one of two lawsuits donald trump brought against me. heweaponized the justice department, as much as i'm glad this three-year battle is over, i'm still wrangling with that lawsuit he filed through the justice department. >> do you think anything about this lawsuit helps you in a favorable way with the second one? >> well, certainly i believe that now people can see that this type of lawsuit was clearly retaliatory and no other explanation but donald trump wanted revenge. and he did so while being a sitting president, which is unprecedented to go after his political rivals or people who criticized him while sitting in the oval office. so certainly i believe that in my other case, folks will take note and see that it's probably the third or fourth case brought under that particular act, and the fines are extraordinary. they're asking for $60,000 when it should be like a $100 fine. hopefully it

he has been replaced by donald trump and his symbols include golden donald trumps they bow down to atthat they now pledge of allegiance to. your thoughts. >> this undying faith is what is going to continue to consume the gop, because they're so thirsty to tap into the energy of his base. they're so thirsty for it. and that threat that you mentioned, trump making as far as hey, my voters won't turn out for you in 2022 or the radio host saying vote for democrats, i'm sure democrats are hearing that like i guess we'll take it, right? give us the power, please. you know? i think but it comes down to trump yet again flexing on the gop members who tethered their party to him all for the sake of self-preservation. all for the take of potential control of congress. and what they're going to get back is this consistent blowback. and i'm sure they're pissed to think about the fact that they're going to go into the 2022 midterms talking about the 2020 election? this is still a look backwards. and they're going to do it because they always fall in line. they all have that fear, as you said, as th

but donald trump managed to do it.te, if we don't solve the presidential election fraud of 2020 republicans will not be voting in '22 or '24. it is the single most important thing for republicans to do. >> you know, willie, that's -- a lot of people looking at those comments, those bizarre comments, took it as a tell that the guy wasn't going to run in 2024. you don't go around saying, hey, look back at 2020 and figure all of that out and create a conspiracy theory that helps me justify my loss there. or else republicans aren't going to win in '22 and '24. it's crazy talk. >> i think sometimes we ascribe too much strategy to donald trump's comments and he's not just blurting things out. this is a reaction we'll get into, another judge throwing out a case that requested a look at the ballots. the vote has been counted three times. three times in the state of georgia. the statement he put out was a temper tantrum in which he threatened to withhold his voters from the 2022 midterm elections and the presidential election u

. >> including donald trump himself? >> no one is off the table. >> democrats are also juggling infrastructure negotiations this week. as one of president biden's build back better issues in the infrastructure plan could be off the table. it's called clean energy manufacture answer program. it requires companies to go from fossil fuels to clean energy. it would clean the air by 50% a a -- according to the plan. joe manchin's opposition to this program isn't that surprising, but a spokesman for the "new york times" says, senator manchin has clearly used his concerns to pay for doing things they're already doing. regardless of the reason, manchin's position is bound to create new headaches for the administration as democrats work to finalize this spending package. joining me now is yamiche alcindor. thank you for coming on. it's a pleasure to be with you. in terms of a $3.5 trillion plan and manchin saying it's a $1.5 trillion plan. the question is, what does it do and what does it get people and the cost after that? we ar

to me 30%, 35%, 38% maybe is what donald trump won this year. with george w. bush 40 -- 44%. that is a nontrivial number of people. that is a millions of voters every election who are latinos voting for republicans. i think you set up a teaser about why trump? we can certainly get into that. >> one of the interesting aspects of the book and truth be told i interviewed doctor geraldo cadava about hispanic republican supporters for trunk, but in your book you write that, one of the reasons why republicans started to go after latinos was because the major drop off of african-americans voting for republicans historically and going towards more for democrats, can you explain that a little bit? >> sure that was very explicit among republican strategists in the late 1960s. after the 1964 election were barry goldwater lost badly to lyndon johnson, the republican party was kind of in a rebuilding soul-searching mode. they were very explicit. nixon's campaign advisors new, as michael said after the 1964 election it had already been happening. the trend in service african-americans were

west virginia, donald trump's best states. didn't have joe manchin, here you would probably have some whack job republican. who had been nothing but a trumper. i think democrats have to look for joe manchin, and think look this could be worse. it's not someone that is locked out of the party, that's not necessarily a bad thing. you want someone to represent west virginia. the important thing here is the democrats control government right now. they still do in the perception is they. do it's not again something passed. here it's very popular stuff, that they are fighting for here. the anti-dental care and anti-health benefits lobby is pretty small. people like pre-k care. they want more child tax credits. we need to get into definitively what's this about. get done and move on. >> to that end juanita, how much harder is it with each passing day? you went through the steps. you went through the sticking points. you quoted congresswoman jayapal, all but it's about to be wednesday. >> it's about to be wednesday, but let's be real.