about donald trump, and donald trump's reaction was to make some posts on his, you know, his social mediazing the committee. what he did not do is explain what he was doing during the 187 minutes when he was accused of doing absolutely nothing while the capitol was under attack. he did not release a phone log of him calling the secretary of defense, calling the attorney general, calling the head of the fbi, or calling anyone. so, in fact, he has never offered one word of defense about what he is accused of doing, and not doing leading up to, and on january 6th. >> it is even worse than that, because he continues to put forward the big lie, that he won the election. he continues to repeat the central point that got him in the hot water that he is in, which is that he refused to accept the results of the 2020 election. he said it was stolen from him even though there is no evidence that that is the case. so he basically incriminate some self every time that he repeats the big lie. and this, to me, is the kind of absurdity. it is that this is somebody who is at core is guilty of being compli

donald trump just lost. the 11th civil case, the 11th circuit effectively extinguish today's donald trump vs america. don trump becomes a criminal defendant. the time of the case will be the united states of america versus donald j trump, and donald trump will finally experience what it is like to stand in a federal courtroom accused of crimes by the full power and authority of the united states of america. there is now nothing procedurally, standing in the way of special prosecutor jack smith moving with speed to bring criminal charges in this case. all these projects will be brought. there is nothing in the way now, nothing, there are very few federal court judges. whoever provoke an appeals court decision that will make a mockery of them. the way the 11th circuit appears to mock judge aileen mercedes cannon. the appeals court says the law is clear, we cannot write a rule that allows any subject of a search warrant to block government investigations after the execution of the warrant. nor can we write a ru

except for donald trump. so we wanted to know how the program was working, and was it really doing the audits it was supposed to? and one of the things that it showed? it was not. the mandatory audit program did not complete one audit of president donald trump's tax returns, not one single audit was complete. and it did not start and target program until after they sent a letter april 3rd of 2019. so this is something that the american people should care about. the american people want to know if the president of the united states is making decisions based on their interests, or the presidents only financial self interests. and that's what it comes down to. why are you making these decisions? the other program is supposed to help people ensure that they are making decisions based on the american peoples self interest. so this is something that we have been working on. i think that the report is going to show that the irs audit program did not work and the fact that donald trump's taxes are also so complicated

donald will claim that.cording, he will say i just want him to give me back my 11,700 votes that were stolen from me. it goes again to the -- >> what did you think about the tax return situation? we finally found out donald trump was never under audit when he kept saying i will release my tax returns once we are out of audit. in fact, he should have been audited and he wasn't. that's an entirely different question. he hasn't paid much in the way of taxes. you combine that with the findings of the new york case, where they were undervaluing properties for purposes of taxes and over valuing for purposes of insurance. >> right, again, that's part of -- look at the numbers, it's part of the trump playbook. he will tell you, no, it makes no difference, he will say it on television, anyone who pays taxes is stupid. it's funny, the two years that he paid 1500 dollars in total, i paid over 3 million. i'm the one that was charged with tax evasion. right? it's absolutely insane. that's why senator dick durbin filed th

donald trump has done he's seen the success of donald trump. but we've just got to remember, it's not necessarily like to say, well, i'd like to get trump policies, but without trump, again, like i was saying earlier, you know, it's it's easy in our minds to think about, well, wouldn't it be really great? but there's reality. and the reality is that a lot of trump's support is tied to his personality. it's tie to him. so this this it's sloppy, intellectual thinking to think that you can simply get trump's policies, put another person there, and that automatically it all just goes over. it's not i mean, it could happen over time, but it's certainly not an automatic thing. so i would caution that says, well, i want trump's policies, but i don't want trump, you know, that that again, while it basic sense and we would all love in in some ways to have those kinds things be real and be able to materialize and come to fruition. they're just not going to donald trump has a very significant following. and until rhonda sanders or mike pence or any of the

you are still talking about donald trump. you believe that the democratic people will not be satisfied until that man is hanging on the news in front of the white house. host: we are going to have to move on. i do want to note that c-span provides gavel-to-gavel coverage of congress and the white house. if it is being said at capitol hill, you will see it on c-span, including our website c-span.org . our next caller is david in west virginia. what are your comments this morning? caller: i support it. host: tell us why? caller: everybody else pays their taxes. host: ok, thank you very much. let us go to tom in orwell, ohio. what are your thoughts this morning? caller: i would like to know how much of president trump's corporations pays his employees in taxes that he has to provide in his income to make these people all be able to pay their taxes. this man has been persecuted since he has been elected. they did not think he had a chance to win anti-fuld everybody. -- and he fooled everybody. i think they ought to pull down the

that is what provoked donald trump's statement. the new owner of twitter, released some, and just some of what was apparently twitters internal correspondence about whether they should allow postings of naked pictures of hunter biden, towards the end of the presidential campaign, in 2020. it is against twitter's own rules to post naked pictures without the consent of the person in the photograph. the biden campaign asked twitter to follow their own rules, and not asked post those photos and her follow its own rules, and didn't post a photographs. twitter also shows at the time, not to allow any posts linking to, a new york post story, about what the new york post said where the contents of a black top to hunter biden apparently left at a repair shop in delaware. nothing incriminating two or about joe biden anyway, have been reported, as part of the alleged contents of that laptop. and so, what donald trump is saying this weekend is that, twitter's failure to publish and making issues of hunter biden, quote, allows for the terminati

host: you begin with donald trump and end it with donald trump, with the memo jim baker sent. peter: in 2016, trump invites him to meet with him. baker does not want to be perceived as endorsing him because of all the reasons susan has talked about. he doesn't particularly like the guy. his solution, i would vote for him but not endorse he did not want to give a public embrace of this person he found so loathsome. when trump asked him to come in, he says i've advised other candidates. he brings a two-page memo of what he thinks trump needs to do to be a successful candidate and president. all things we know trump is not going to do, reach out to women and people of color, to believe in free trade, to do all of these things that are an anathema to who trump is. baker knew of trump didn't do them, there's no way to argue -- his requirements for an endorsement, which he would never meet. host: louis in new york, please go ahead. caller: thank you for taking my call. i always enjoy reading what peter and susan have in the new york times and new yorker. i want to push back a little

and donald trump, unless you attack donald trump, donald trump will win because he is going to attackou. so these people better buckle up. >> melissa, to that point, ronna mcdaniel, the head of the rnc came out with a statement to say, believe it or not because you've heard the statement for the last couple of weeks, there is no place for kanye, fuentes, or their views inside the republican party. mitch mcconnell said something like there is no place for white supremacy inside the republican party. there's been all sorts of statements like that but to stewart's point, there has been no statement or virtually no statements except for mitt romney about the fact that there is no place for donald trump within the republican party because i think that every republican who wants to hold office knows exactly what stuart just said. that donald trump will come after, you donald trump will come for you if you go for him. >> i think that's right. it's worth noting that despite these denunciations of nick fuentes and white supremacy, although of these seem to come with a little bit of a lag time.

host: you begin with donald trump and end it with donald trump, with the memo jim baker sent. peter: in 2016, trump invites him to meet with him. baker does not want to be perceived as endorsing him because of all the reasons susan has talked about. he doesn't particularly like the guy. his solution, i would vote for him but not endorse he did not want to give a public embrace of this person he found so loathsome. when trump asked him to come in, he says i've advised other candidates. he brings a two-page memo of what he thinks trump needs to do to be a successful candidate and president. all things we know trump is not going to do, reach out to women and people of color, to believe in free trade, to do all of these things that are an anathema to who trump is. baker knew of trump didn't do them, there's no way to argue -- his requirements for an endorsement, which he would never meet. host: louis in new york, please go ahead. caller: thank you for taking my call. i always enjoy reading what peter and susan have in the new york times and new yorker. i want to push back a little

under donald trump year and year out. we did not have the personnel who are actually capable of auditing and a highly professional way. anse with it was complex tax returns. >> that's right, if they didn't do it for donald trump you can be sure that there wasn't a lot of wealthy people most country who are not getting audit and paying their fair share of taxes. so, it's not only the money loopholes that exist then need to be close in our tax laws. work at the congress should be doing but won't next year. it's the way that this is implemented, whether the internal revenue service is actually doing the job. certainly it wasn't under trump. but we need it to enforce our laws and to treat everyone fairly. was that his excuse for not releasing his tax returns? >> there is an illusion to that law report we the committee limited they didn't even go back and explore where this hundred and five, 7 million dollar came from. that some of the work that really needs to be done going forward. >> thank you for joining us last, night we

donald trump. he was still getting a paycheck from the trump organization even as he was testifying, and this is something we have seen from donald trump in the past. so a lot of loyalists go to prison -- we could talk about steve bannon getting -- not being convict in the that particular case. but the bottom line is there's a lot of people who protect donald trump. >> yeah, as you say, they protect donald trump. they make some sort of calculation, and the system has a high bar. the system does not err on the side of convicting you just because your name as on the front door. although tonight in this broadcast and on the trial, we've heard people leaving you with the factual conclusion that the name on the door was aware and not just out to lunch while other people did this. as i mention, we have this big booking coming up. i'm going turn to that. i want to thank maya wylie. shortest break, 60 seconds, when we come back, the manhattan d.a. who just won this conviction in the trump case, alvin brag,

in fact, they say in april 2019 donald trump was -- an audit began over donald trump's returns, and thatnly began they believe because the chairman of the committee richie neil who you just saw sent a letter to the irs at that exact time, april 2019 asking about those tax returns. they said then that's when the audit started over trump's returns. and they said it was an audit never completed. all those returns, those six years of returns they have obtained, the audits were not actually completed for donald trump. and i also asked about the contention of trump and he said he's always under audit. he's never seen an audit pleated. neil declined to comment on that specific issue saying these are issues we're still looking through as well. one other point, laura i asked both chairman neil and the top republican on the committee, kevin brady, whether or not there was anything concerning in those returns. brady said this is still being looked at by the irs and decline today comment. neil, too, also declined to comment. >> has the former president or any other republicans commented on where we

donald trump was at the head of. and they, really i think, didn't enormous service to how we all think about it, and frankly, as to how the department of justice thinks about it, and is investigating. and finally, i'll say, i think they really took a very bold step, by recommending an insurrection and rebellion charge because because it really is the remedy for that charge. if that is charged, and there's a conviction, there's a potential remedy that that person can't run for office. that sort of puts politics at the center of any such charge, if it is brought. but it really, in many ways, goes to what the congressional committee was talking about today, with liz cheney and congressman raskin, talking about this is a person who they believe is not fit for office. and if you believe that, that charge encompasses both encompasses both actual charges, and also in terms of the remedy, if there is a conviction, that the person has forfeited their right to represent is publicly. so long way of saint, that i completely agre

and it's donald trump in the oval office.then chief of staff, and he says, i don't want people to know we lost, mark. this is embarrassing. figure it out. we need to figure it out. i don't want people to know we lost. the level of delusion married to the level of danger that we just confronted and was thwarted by the wall of democracy, is there any match in history to this? >> well, before i answer, mike, i just want to remind our audience for the three people who may not know that what mike is saying is informed by his own experiences, you may remember that wonderful film the candidate, early 1970s. some remember robert redford starring in the candidate. i remember mike barnicle. sort of the high point of the film. his own role in cinematic history. but i think this is the way i would look at it. you know, we all live through january 6th, 2021. and the trump people and people who are like them tried to say that was just some tourist visiting the capitol or indignant citizens, patriots expressing themselves, trying to overtur

in donald trump's party.doing the right thing like he did before and during january 6? >> yeah. if you won't believe in your own accomplishments, that's maybe the theme of this show. he did the right thing on january 6. that is his message and legacy. most important thing in his political career. if he can't take ownership of that what is the moment? >>> what's holding up the spending bill on capitol hill? we'll get the latest as the deadline to fund the government fast approaches. "morning joe" is back in a moment. trelegy for copd. ♪ birds flyin' high, you know how i feel. ♪ ♪ breeze driftin' on... ♪ [coughing] ♪ ...by, you know how i feel. ♪ if you're tired of staring down your copd,... ♪ it's a new dawn, ♪ ♪ it's a new day... ♪ ...stop settling. ♪ ...and i'm feelin' good. ♪ start a new day with trelegy. no once-daily copd medicine has the power to treat copd in as many ways as trelegy. with three medicines in one inhaler, trelegy makes breathing easier for a full 24 hours, improves lung function, and help

due to donald trump's course, long, challenging history with the truth. trump's lawyers are refusing to sign a declaration saying that in effect, that they believe donald trump. that there are no more classified documents there. trump's side has taken the position that such a request isn't reasonable. that no lawyer could sign such a blanket certification in good faith, or advise any client to do so, as opposed to a testing that a search of a location has been completed and in good faith. some of trump's lawyers are also wary of making any claim under oath based on trump's word alone. two people familiar with the mstter said this. the post reports that a hearing is scheduled for tomorrow on this matter. and also today, the deadline passed, passed, gone, for donald trump to appeal the 11th circuit court of appeals decision that not only stopped the special master process and the civil lawsuit brought by donald trump against the justice department over their seizure of the documents. but it completely drops donald trump's lawsuit. it just wipes it out. the

in donald trump -- atlanta earlier today. a source telling nbc news that flynn didn't need testifying to the -- glands efforts to get out of testifying to the grand jury were shut down when a judge in florida ruled last month that he must comply with the subpoena. earlier this, week in appeals court declined to block that order from them the washington post reports that in a court filing, fulton county district attorney listed for areas of interest that she wanted flynn to testify about, including the december 2020 appearance he made on newsmax. suggesting trump could use military capabilities to re-run elections in states, including georgia. the prosecutor also cited a subsequent meeting flynn had at the white house with trump attorney sydney powell and other trump campaign advisers, where the group floated ways of overturning the 2020 election results. including martial law. and seizing voting machines. leading off our discussion tonight is democratic congressman eric swalwell of california. he served as a pro trump member

they sound like what was described as donald trump's conduct. i did ask congressman raskin about the kind of dog that didn't bark here. the dog that didn't hunt or whatever the saying is. that's is seditious conspiracy. we have seen it's not easy to convict on that either, apparently, but we have seen a conviction on that. i just want to read you a little bit of the executive summary about the violence that took place. that's the connection that would need to be made. secret service confiscated a haul of weapons from the people who passed through the magnetometers. 269 knives or blades, 18 brass knuckles, six pieces of body armor, 30 batons or blunt instruments and miscellaneous items and thousands of others possibly left outside. we know there was cassidy hutchinson testimony that donald trump was demanding the mags be open and that, quote, his people be allowed through. they were armed. talk to us about the justice department's decision making here. because they have already convicted some people on seditious conspiracy. they now have a referr

donald trump broke that faith. he lost _ values. donald trump broke that faith.to call i said donald trump refusal to call off his supporters when he stormed the capital was shameful. in additional to being unlawful as we described an oral report this was a moral dealer and a dereliction of duty. evidence of this can be seen in the testimony of president trumps own white house counsel and several witnesses. no man who would behave that way at that moment in time can ever serve in any position of authority in our nation again. he is unfit for any office.— unfit for any office. straight to washington or _ unfit for any office. straight to | washington or correspondence unfit for any office. straight to - washington or correspondence first is life with us. help us understand what a criminal referral is nomia iqbal? it what a criminal referral is nomia lubal? . ., what a criminal referral is nomia lubal? , ., ., ., what a criminal referral is nomia lubal? ., ., ., iqbal? it is a recommendation. for the last 18 months _ iqbal? it is a recommendation. for the last 18 m

from donald trump, for only $99. that's $99, which donald trump so desperately needs that he put out that digital card. he said, it is very much like a baseball card. those were his words. very much like a baseball card. madonna trump was in high school and playing baseball, he no doubt dreamed, as all of us do when we're kids playing baseball, of someday being on a baseball card. but it wasn't good enough. and he knows he wasn't good enough. donald trump knows that he doesn't look like the fake superhero in that card that he put out today, but he is telling you very openly and very desperately how much he wishes that he looked like that. that image is a precise measure of just how inadequate donald trump feels. that is the way donald trump thinks he should look. let's take a look at it again. let's take a look at the way donald trump thinks he should lock. let's put that back up on the screen. look at that. that is gone old trumps hope of the way you see him and that is the way he wants to look. but the bathroom mir

they're throwing insurrection at donald trump. they're throwing conspiracy at donald trump.hrowing obstruction at donald trump. what do you make of them going full on? >> i think it's a great question. you've been discussing these referrals this morning, katy. we all remember impeachment and other moments that have tested the relationship between the u.s. government norms as they're sometimes called, and donald trump. we've heard impeachment about being targeted. what you just laid out is throwing in the whole kitchen sink. it gives the roadmap for the doj to consider, as we reported, they'll make up their own determination, but it impacts in this high stakes process, a roadmap that says you can choose false statement, electors, the non-violent parts, or link him to actually aiding and abetting a violent insurrection. >> are some harder to prove? >> absolutely. insurrection is the hardest. most of those people even convicted of crimes so far at the capitol aren't convicted of sedition or insurrection. if you want to lump them together for our purposes, but we've seen in the

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herschel walker was tied to donald trump, georgia rejected donald trump two years ago in those president race, in those two senate races. and herschel walker is going down the path where brian kemp, and donald trump's battle helped him and became a appeal to the voters where he would be a antithesis of trump in the republican party context. and a republican that was beholden trump. no doubt, that had to do with that 200,000 vote differential. >> yes of course. david chalian, thanks so much. great to have you here. and to discuss the senate runoff, is our panel of esteemed guests. -- alex stewart, and republican commentator, wilbur lopez is a commentator for the cnn hour, as well as uphill buckle -- and -- also a cnn political analyst. great to have you all back at the table tonight. >> good morning! >> at the table, i've lost track of time. we'll see how we're doing. it here in the united states we've got a lot of voters joining us from overseas tonight as well, but allison we've been talking about. and i kind of want to focus in on the state of georgia. and the landscape of how it is sh

because who knows where donald's soft. you have argued that he may use his presidential run as leverage to get away from some of this prosecution, and the fact that there might be other documents. or that he has copies of these documents. let's just remind our viewers of what we are talking about here. you're saying that thumb trump may be discharge for something and says, hold on, i've got stuff. i've got stuff i can get the north korea or iran or whatever. obviously that would be a crime if he said that. or, i'm running for president. you don't believe he's actually gone to run for president, but you believe he's using this as insulation? >> i do. august 31, not too far after i was on your show, i turned around and put out a tweet that says that they need to go, it's almost like where, waldo follow where donald has gone every single day. and those people, the ones that you have to speak to, you need to search those properties. but i believe, and i've been saying it all along, that is going to use those documents as lever

on whether or not to charge donald trump and others referred by the committee. bud ladies, december 19, 2022, a day in our history, where it will be the first time a former president trump has been charged with conspiracy, obstruction, and insurrection. this committee making it clear that regardless of what happens next, they are going to draw a line in the sand to say, one, that donald trump is responsible for what happened on january 6th, and two, it is not okay, this cannot happen again. andrea? >> and you know, ladies, january 6th has receded in the minds of many people, it's not top of mind. you've got inflation, the war in ukraine, so many other problems, the energy costs, at the same time this committee has kept the spotlight on it, and while many people had held all along that the mar-a-lago documents would be the easier case to prove, if the d.o.j. were going to indict donald trump for anything at all, so the easier than the insurrection or seditious conspiracy or any of the other components here today, this is being at front and center, and it does inc

donald trump hates to lose. and i entirely believe, i think hope was very credible in her testimony, it was testimony we saw i believe for the first time today. very credible. i would have to say if they asked me under oath was that consistent with what i saw of donald trump, yes, it is. but it's a far reach from i really hate to lose and i'll do anything to win to proving that there were crimes committed. that's why i think that type of person, by the way, would be very likely, perhaps, to obstruct justice, to interfere with an investigation into what happened. so does it help sort of set the environment and establish the atmosphere in which this was going on, yes. but, again, to prove a crime, you've got to have a lot more than what hope hicks just gave the committee today. >> mick mulvaney, thank you so much. >>> coming up, the justice department is not the only thing on the minds of trump's legal team. why they may have georgia on their minds as well. in breaking news, the supreme court just now weighed in o

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regarding donald trump. let's bring in our panel with us, andrea, this again is going to be the first time that congress makes these referrals, on a former president, and our panel is back with us. former u.s. attorney and senior fbi attorney chuck rosenberg, joyce vance. i'm going to start with you. what do you make of what they laid out? what are your headline thoughts? >> this is a huge deal. they just threw the book at donald trump. they just named him and his potential co-conspirators. let's put it according to the committee, which made the news, and we can also discuss the defense's and replies afforded to donald trump and others but according to the committee, donald trump is a felon, and an insurrectionist, someone who wanted to riot but physically couldn't get there. according to the committee, he has co-conspirators, in clark and eastman, people inside the government who were planning the coup. according to the committee, donald trump's purpose and goal in advance was to overthrow the election, thr

almost two years ago, supporters of donald trump stormed the u.s.ol building claiming the presidential election had been stolen. now, the house committee investigating the january 6 attack has referred former president trump to the u.s. justice department for criminal prosecution. that is without precedent. committee members voted unanimously to refer mr. trump on four counts, including inciting insurrection. these legal referrals -- are not legally binding in the justice department will ultimately decide if mr. trump is charged or not. here's john. >> with the routine of a recorded vote, america finds itself in uncharted territory. >> mr. schiff. >> aye. >> mr. aguilar. >> aye. >> a congressional committee recommending a u.s. president face criminal charges as a delivered a damming assessment of donald trump's last days in office. >> he lost the 2020 election and knew it, but he chose to try to stay in office through a multipart scheme to overturn the results and block the transfer of power. >> replaying key pieces of video evidence, the committee

you have to have this theory that donald trump _ have to have this theory that donald trump they— havet — trump they had adhered to this concept that was so corrupt, that he could _ concept that was so corrupt, that he could influence vice president mike pence _ could influence vice president mike pence to _ could influence vice president mike pence to change the outcome of the election _ pence to change the outcome of the election it— pence to change the outcome of the election. it was bad legal advice and it— election. it was bad legal advice and it was— election. it was bad legal advice and it was so bad that it constituted a fraud against the american people. couple that with the words — american people. couple that with the words and the tweets ofjanuary 6th, stoking that file for weeks and leading _ 6th, stoking that file for weeks and leading up— 6th, stoking that file for weeks and leading up that day. you have an angry— leading up that day. you have an angry mob— leading up that day. you have an angry mob that acts on the president's words. you have to put them _ president's w

so did donald trump jr.tential criminality around january 6th, if you think people's memories will come back, phil. >> it could. look, this was a historic day in this country. and i think if you were in a position of leadership, as tony ornato was on that day, these are the types of things that would probably stick with you. but who knows what his memory is. we can't speak for him or for ginni thomas. it is important to keep in mind that this is not a criminal proceeding. it's a political act. certainly they're testifying under oath here, but it doesn't have the same criminal consequences it would have in a justice department investigation. but these transcripts are now part of the public record, which means fbi investigators and others who are actively investigating all of this right now at the justice department and making decision about whether to bring charges and against whom, they access to all of this material. the grand jury is conducting some of their own interviews. it is certainly a different cont